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And I acknowledged that in my 1st post.

I said " Yeah sure, if you're in ND's situation and you've to Rees back there who's been a starting QB for a season and a half as your backup, you have that luxury. Michigan unfortunately does not."

You guys are acting like Rees is as inexperienced as our guys. You're absolutely comparing apples to oranges. Tommy Rees has gone on the road and started against Michigan. He's started at home against USC. He's gone on the road and started at Stanford.

But carry on about how you'd like to see Russell Bellomy lead us to victory in the 4th quarter lol. If you don't see a difference in those situations, I guess there's nothing else to say

Why? Denard is our best option at QB and we were only down by 10. The simple fact is that if Denard didn't perform better we were not going to win. He can't perform on the bench.

I can't believe that the Michigan fan base that follows a program derived from sayings like "the team, the team, the team", and "no one player is bigger than the team" has now come to shun taking out players for continually making the same poor decisions with the football.

Denard Robinson made several terrible decisions, decisions that he has made terribly in previous games. This means he is not being accountable thus making the same mistakes over, and over, and over and the coaches just keep sending him out there.

That is not the kind of Michigan football I was raised on, and not the kind of football this program was built on. No one player can hi-jack the team, and that is exactly what happened on Sat night.

If Denard doesn't want to take care of the football, he can sit on the bench and maybe he can start to figure it out from there.

The problem is that Denard Robinson is the only chance we have at winning the big ten. That's the simple truth as to why he hasn't been replaced. You take the good with the bad.

There has to be a couple of posters on this board that don't believe that Denard is the problem, aren't there!? To me, Borges is the problem. I'm sick of hearing "we need to execute" (I guarantee you at the next presser, Al will be asked about Vincent Smith throwing the ball in the endzone, and his comeback will be: "we execute, we score"...this while attempting to open a water bottle with furious might/will). Why try and "execute" with stupid play calling? Have better play calling and execution will be there, that's my take. Obviously, no matter how stupid the play call is, if you execute....great! There's a fine line (or not) between lucky outcomes from stupid calls and smart play calling.

The bottom line is this....I think Borges has too much pride when looking at his past and working with QBs how they are successful in "year 2" of his system. Borges has himself sold on the fact that he can turn Denard into an efficient passer. So much that he has Denard thinking that he could be a good passer. It's Denard's senior year!!! The kid is beyond special when he's given the opportunity to go out and do what he does best. If anyone is questioning this....take a look at what happened his FIRST SNAP while playing QB at Michigan. Let Denard be Denard. Period...end of story! If Denard doesn't have a coach screwing with is head the way Borges is right now....we beat ND and quite convincingly. JMO

I couldn't care less what kind of football you were raised on. That has what to do with this thread? Nothing whatsoever. Michigan now has a HC who is far more aggressive than the HC's who piloted the program when you were "being raised." Love it or leave it alone.

LMAO @ Denard "hi-jacking" the team. No further response to that particular statement is necessary.

Did you push your bowl of angry onions aside and consider that Al Borges called:

Plays that try to turn a running quarterback into a pocket passer? Consider:

A play that had a redshirt freshman fullback trying to block Prince Shembo? Interception.

A waggle that had Tuitt unblocked in Denard's face? Interception!

A play that resulted in Te'o unblocked closing in quickly on Denard? INTERCEPTION!

He had called another passing play - which resulted in another player in Denard's face - after Denard's previous two passes were intercepted.

I bet you didn't. Obviously pressure + Denard = generally not good results, so precisely why are plays being called that put him the that position? And despite all of that, they were always in the game - one big play away from tying, and perhaps winning, the game. Heh @ sitting your most explosive offensive player when the team lacks elite receivers who consistently get separation and the running game was stonewalled by their front seven.

As an OC your job is to put your best players in the best position to succeed. Denard's strength isn't pocket passing; it's read option and play-action passing that freezes linebackers, pulls up safeties, and frees up seam routes (Brian Cook called them "QB OH NOES"). THAT'S why in 2010 his passing stats were...deceptively good, and that's why Roy Roundtree had the yards he did.

By the same token, no, Borges isn't a spread guru. Point being NOBODY hijacked ANYTHING; there is blame to go all around, hence me smirking at this knee-jerk creation of a thread.

Pressure + Denard = not throwing it out of bounds like QBs are supposed to do.

Is he a "traditional" QB with traditional QB instincts? Does he look off safeties? Have you ever - like, EVER - seen him pump fake? I haven't.

So why it still surprises people that he doesn't consistently respond how groomed, polished pocket passers do is beyond me.

Personally I don't care about your ridiculous continuation of no accountability and if the new head coach wants to continue on that path I will assure you 33 straight bowl appearances and every class having a big ten championship are a thing of the distant past. Denard has the ball in his hand he can throw it to whom ever he pleases, that includes out of bounds. My personal advice is anywhere but to the other team. From your post it sounds like Al Borges was throwing the passes?

Plus you down voted me, what a prick. Clearly one of those everything is everyone else's fault kind of guy. You should run for president

Only problem I've had with Hoke from day 1, was announcing denard as the starting qb before 1 practice. Should've dove right into what WILL be our offense, and say may the best man win. I really don't think DR wins on that 1. Now, there would've been some growing pains last year and I don't think we would've won as many as we had, but coming into this year and especially next year, we as a team would've been much better off. This is setting every single offensive player currently with the team, and who will be back next year, back in their development. ESPECIALLY the olinemen, who will be learning a whole new system immediately after whatever bowl game (I assume) we go to this year. I'm absolutely convinced that the decision to start DR from day 1 of Hoke being hired, came from above his head.

I would take these calls for Bellomy a lot more seriously if these people said: "You know what, this team isn't going to win with Denard, we may as well bring in a younger guy and focus on the future instead." but in reality these guys are the guys who will cuss and scream if Bellomy comes in and completes 2 out of 12 for 18 yards and 2 picks and a fumble and talk about how that's embarrassing and not the Michigan football they grew up with etc. etc.

These guys actually expect Bellomy to magically be better than Denard even though there is zero indication that would be the case and no qualified observer would believe such a thing, in other words they entirely lack credibility.