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  • Is listed as the number kr?! What!

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    kylebennett7127

  • kylebennett7127 said...

    Is listed as the number kr?! What!

    Makes sense to me actually. He's 3rd on the depth chart at Safety, but has good size and speed. Everyone talked about him as a RB in high school, but said he ran too upright to be a college RB. That isn't too big of a deal for KR where you want a guy at full speed quickly and is in the open field.

    Dizzo

  • Dizzo said...

    Makes sense to me actually. He's 3rd on the depth chart at Safety, but has good size and speed. Everyone talked about him as a RB in high school, but said he ran too upright to be a college RB. That isn't too big of a deal for KR where you want a guy at full speed quickly and is in the open field.

    I have no problem with it. Im glad he will get on the field. It just caught me by surprise.

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    kylebennett7127

  • kylebennett7127 said...

    Is listed as the number kr?! What!

    Kind of interesting..hes strong..if he gets a head of steam he wont be easy to tackle..him and Norfleet back there id like to see

    MichiganMan_24

  • Cool! I'm not sure how relevant the return game is going to be this year with the new kickoff rules, but I'm glad we've got someone new to step up this year. Also: HOLD ON TO THE DAMN BALL. Please.

    UMPat

  • I don't think this will matter much anyway because of the new kickoff rules. Most kickers were getting it to the goal line last year, so moving the kick up to the 35 means most kickoffs will be around 5-yards deep in the end zone. Then combine it with the fact touchbacks now come to the 25 instead of the 20 and there is a lot less reason to even attempt a return. You're basically telling the return man he needs to get at least 30 yards to make it worthwhile, which is going to mean a lot of touchbacks.

    Dizzo

  • I think he could be awesome at that. I think they didn't want to give it to a freshman, and rightfully so.

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    neoavatara

  • Like Dizzo said, how important are kickoff returners with the new rules? I mean, it's important on punts, but other than that I just want the returners to catch the ball.

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    MaizeandBlue21

  • One thing Furman has always had is speed. At 6'2" and speed, it's not really much of a surprise.
    He just needs to make sure to catch & secure the ball. Then he can fly from there.

    fx132824

  • Dizzo said...

    I don't think this will matter much anyway because of the new kickoff rules. Most kickers were getting it to the goal line last year, so moving the kick up to the 35 means most kickoffs will be around 5-yards deep in the end zone. Then combine it with the fact touchbacks now come to the 25 instead of the 20 and there is a lot less reason to even attempt a return. You're basically telling the return man he needs to get at least 30 yards to make it worthwhile, which is going to mean a lot of touchbacks.

    These new rules are BS

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    Awink2

  • I like it... Kid seems to be a really good Special Teamer... If he can understand the kickoff game and where the play should develop, he could help out quite a bit if the ball is returnable...

    jnewberg24

  • Awink2 said...

    These new rules are BS

    I hate it too. It us taking away a huge part of the game

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    kylebennett7127

  • kylebennett7127 said...

    I hate it too. It us taking away a huge part of the game

    I completely agree. With college kickers getting better all the time, this really is just practically removing kick returns from the game. I understand wanting player safety, but castrating the game in order to achieve that end is just silly.

    Also, with the kickoff being moved up, onside kicks become more appetizing, since you'll probably only be handing the ball to your opponent around midfield if you fail to recover.

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    CMXI

  • When the NFL practically removed kickoffs, I was like "It's ok, CFB won't do this.."

    Looks like I was wrong. no

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    Rabid

  • CMXI said...

    I completely agree. With college kickers getting better all the time, this really is just practically removing kick returns from the game. I understand wanting player safety, but castrating the game in order to achieve that end is just silly.

    Also, with the kickoff being moved up, onside kicks become more appetizing, since you'll probably only be handing the ball to your opponent around midfield if you fail to recover.

    Except you can now faircatch onside kicks so they took those out too

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    MKatUmich

  • Josh Furman's a really good guy off of the field. I wish him much success.

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    ScoutExile

  • Awink2 said...

    These new rules are BS

    This!

    ECoastMichMan

  • CMXI said...

    I completely agree. With college kickers getting better all the time, this really is just practically removing kick returns from the game. I understand wanting player safety, but castrating the game in order to achieve that end is just silly.

    Also, with the kickoff being moved up, onside kicks become more appetizing, since you'll probably only be handing the ball to your opponent around midfield if you fail to recover.

    You state your point eloquently and I cannot agree more. How can a team even get a chance to come back without even a possibility of a big return. It takes the excitement away.

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    kylebennett7127

  • MKatUmich said...

    Except you can now faircatch onside kicks so they took those out too

    I don't understand this at all. I really wish I could have a come to Jesus meeting with a decision maker. It's absolutely rediculous

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    kylebennett7127

  • I actually like the new rules (aside from onside kicks). I'd be okay with teams just starting from the 20 all the time, with no kickoff (except onsides). This should make the game much safer, without destroying it too much. Sure, long kickoff returns are awesome, but they're also pretty rare and involve a ton of luck. I don't think it significantly hinders a team's chances of making a comeback either.

    The onsides change, however, is ridiculous. They're basically ending games that would otherwise have a chance to comeback and be exciting at least. Now there will no point in watching games when a team is up 2 scores and under ~3 minutes. Even though teams rarely get that onsides kick, it makes it a lot more fun to watch knowing that that is still in play. Shame...

    UMPat

  • As much as I dislike the kick-off rule, after watching our lack of coverage last year, I think it will really benefit the team this year.

    MichaelHardenII

  • UMPat said...

    I actually like the new rules (aside from onside kicks). I'd be okay with teams just starting from the 20 all the time, with no kickoff (except onsides). This should make the game much safer, without destroying it too much. Sure, long kickoff returns are awesome, but they're also pretty rare and involve a ton of luck. I don't think it significantly hinders a team's chances of making a comeback either.

    The onsides change, however, is ridiculous. They're basically ending games that would otherwise have a chance to comeback and be exciting at least. Now there will no point in watching games when a team is up 2 scores and under ~3 minutes. Even though teams rarely get that onsides kick, it makes it a lot more fun to watch knowing that that is still in play. Shame...

    I like the onside kick rule change because It basically makes it the same as a punt. Having a guy standing still looking up in the air to make a catch while 11 guys are allowed to run right at him, full speed, and hit him before he has the ball was just crazy. I always thought it was unfair to allow the kicking team to hit the receiving players before they touched the ball.

    The rule only allows for a fair catch after one bounce, so those cases where the ball hits once and bounces high in the air, which was the most dangerous type of play possible.

    If the ball bounces twice, no fair catch. So the play is still there, they just need to execute it with a different kick. You'll see kickers squibbing the ball more hoping the receiver can't field it cleanly instead of the bounce-high-hit-everyone approach. I also think the bounce-high approach could work too if you have a guy who can jump up and grab it before the receiver catches it, as long as they don't hit them.

    Dizzo

  • Dizzo said...

    I also think the bounce-high approach could work too if you have a guy who can jump up and grab it before the receiver catches it, as long as they don't hit them.

    I think the high-bounce is dead. When is there ever a "clean" catch by the kicking team? If the fair catch is just like a punt, then the kicking team will have to give the receiver a "cushion" to catch the ball. Hopefully I'm just being unimaginative and onside kicks will still be a part of the game.

    I don't really care if they are successful or not, but just the fact that they are a viable option makes so many games more interesting!

    UMPat

  • UMPat said...

    I think the high-bounce is dead. When is there ever a "clean" catch by the kicking team? If the fair catch is just like a punt, then the kicking team will have to give the receiver a "cushion" to catch the ball. Hopefully I'm just being unimaginative and onside kicks will still be a part of the game.

    I don't really care if they are successful or not, but just the fact that they are a viable option makes so many games more interesting!

    I think you're right that teams will not do the high-bounce kick anymore. The one kick that came to mind that made me think it might be possible still was Auburn-Utah State to start last season. The Auburn player basically caught it clean out of the air. I'm not sure of the nuances of the new rules, but if the kicking team player catches the ball and then hits the receiving player, would it be allowed? This play wasn't a violent hit, but there was contact after he caught the ball.

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    Auburn Onside Kick Recovery versus Utah State

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    Dizzo

  • Dizzo said...

    I think you're right that teams will not do the high-bounce kick anymore. The one kick that came to mind that made me think it might be possible still was Auburn-Utah State to start last season. The Auburn player basically caught it clean out of the air. I'm not sure of the nuances of the new rules, but if the kicking team player catches the ball and then hits the receiving player, would it be allowed? This play wasn't a violent hit, but there was contact after he caught the ball.

    Aww man... I wanted Auburn to lose that one so badly...

    Thanks for providing the evidence, I guess it could still be possible. As long as its possible enough to keep the games interesting than it should be fine.

    UMPat