Wolverine247 Board

I'm gonna take some grief for this, but:

1. I don't think the tattoos and cars were all that important to their success in the 2000s. Michigan was doing it the right way, and up until Carr went slack and Ron English found out what a spread offense was, Michigan hung with them for the most part.

2. OSU's real crimes came afterwards when Tressel lied, and then their administration completely thumbed their noses at the NCAA with their fake investigation. It actually borders upon disgusting to me that guys like Devier Posey, who perhaps have lucrative NFL careers ahead of them, had to sit out for half of their senior year over a few hundred dollars in free tattoos. The NCAA is a corrupt institution devoted to lining the pockets of rich old men with the blood and sweat of young men who are barred from other avenues to use their talents. Its a great and immoral hypocrisy that they treat players like they do. (Of course, the OSU admin had no such noble intentions, and are just as happy scraping every last profit they can out fo their servants)

So while OSU's administration should be unloading plenty of cash for their behavior, I think the players got a pretty raw deal. And to take it a step farther, if I found myself in Tressel's shoes, I would feel somewhat obligated to protect my players from terrible rules like that.

The amount that they save by being on scholarship is HUGE, they are definitely compensated when you think of it that way.

Had you guys paid every player used against us during the Cooper era, it still would not have eased the pain of any of those horrible losses you hung on us. And butte, you are typically a good poster, but you are fos if you expect me to believe that because "we cheated" it makes the past decade any less painful to you. As for your "beyond reproach" standards, the Fab Five was way worse than Tresselgate and never once in my life did I cry "Michigan cheated" even after you knocked us out of the Elite 8 that year. I realize the dynamics of the rivalry will never allow us to agree but the Holier than thou card is weak.

Your boss would like you to know he's gonna start paying you in cheerios and diesel fuel. Don't like it? Tough.

EDIT: Really I can't cope with an a viewpoint that doesn't see the need to change to accommodate the needs and desires of the players.

Exactly. If they don't like it then they don't have to get a free education while having the opportunity to dramatically improve their net worth through athletics.

Let's not pretend as if college athletes are victims in all of this. They get free exposure to their dream job employer(the NFL) and get a college education out of it. All it takes is opening my student loan bills to see just how good they have it.

Then where sir do you think the NFL would get their players? Are they going to start converting hockey players, or import rugby players from other parts of the world? All scholastic athletes perform under the same stipulation, football is just more popular which allows for a much greater immediate financial opportunity. Choices! Why does everyone in this country forget we all have choices if your feeling exploited go play water polo.

Have you watched any NBA lately? Their brand and quality of basketball is terrible IMO, and the collegiate basketball brand has suffered as well. This is all due to immature, uneducated, unexploited kids who's work ethic and discipline comes second to the money or the lifestyle.

How about, do you live in this country and take part in our lovely economy? Education is clearly lacking in the majority of our country. Paying athletes is not going to help them with their education, nor set a president that speaks to how important an education is. Thus our lovely country and its economy will be fueled by uneducated, unexploited wanna be athletes.

If I don't like it... I don't work there anymore. Your example sucked.

Then I guess it would be time to find a new industry.

This idea that athletes are FORCED into football, or college, is asinine and simply untrue.

Say I needed to get experience in a field I wanted to work in but could only find intern positions where I would not get paid, I would do it.
Now say I was interning and my work gave me some promotional items and a laptop and some other things.
What would happen if I sold those things while I was still interning?
They are technically intellectual property of that company.
If I quit or get fired, the company could let me keep the items then they would become mine but if I sold them already and the company wanted them back, I would be in huge trouble.

I highly doubt the University would want them back but since the athletes are still in school, I do not believe they should be able to sell those items they obtained by representing the University.

They can play semi-pro football if they don't want to attend college.

Simple as that.

They CHOOSE to attend college, and they are definitely being compensated a very good bit for doing so.

I don't understand your first two questions at all. Under my model, colleges would continue to have football programs that would be the feeders to the NFL, just the 99% of players not good/lucky enough to make it to the NFL would be compensated fairly.

If you think the quality of the NBA is terrible right now, then just LOL. The league is better than it has been since Jordan's second retirement. I would actually argue that it's even better than it was when Jordan was around, because there's actual suspense about who the champion will be each year.

I wonder if your argument about "our lovely country and its economy will be fueled by uneducated, unexploited wanna be athletes" could possibly be worse. Wtf are you even talking about? FBS football players make up like 0.000000000000000000001% of the population.

Kids play sports when they are young, if we start paying them in college. What do you think the priority will be for the child school, or sports? The NBA is terrible that is not the way basketball is suppose to be played. If NBA basketball is so great now why are we losing internationally to teams we were beating by fifty, sixty, seventy points ten fifteen years ago. Players are not suppose to be paid now and look at the rampant disregard for the institution. Football is just one sport, their are others if you were not aware and the players playing these sports are athletes and when they go to college they are college athletes. All of these athletes would need to be treated equally like the proposition that equalizes scholarships according to gender. Bottom line they are given an incredible opportunity to get an expensive education that will out value and teach them much more about life then the few thousand dollars during their college careers.