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Will Meyer be left with scraps at OL?

  • a2brutus said...

    damn right, neo!!!!

    i'll take a 3-2 win anyday vs a loss...but, it is more fun to see some scoring, no?

    as far as running miller, double edged sword, sure he makes plays and converts some 3rd downs with his legs, but getting hurt is a big concern...and this yr we dont have kenny g to come in and save the day...

    we all know braxton is no peyton manning, but he must throw more this yr and rely on the big backs to get the tough yds (or he wont finish his remaining 26 games or so) thats alot of hits the next 2 yrs!

    if he does go down, we have a true frosh (albeit a talented one) to carry the load...

    I thought Guiton was a RS Jr. last year - is he not taking a 5th year? If not, does that mean your backup QB is Cardale Jones by default?

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  • CMXI said...

    I thought Guiton was a RS Jr. last year - is he not taking a 5th year? If not, does that mean your backup QB is Cardale Jones by default?

    I didn't know Guiton was gone either. That's a big loss IMO. We know better than most how dicey things can get when your multi-year starting QB goes down and you are forced to put in a FR.

    MrWoodson

  • a2brutus said...

    my bad, forgot about the redshirt...

    posted too fast...but i still need to check...

    Could end up a brutal season if Braxton goes down. Hope it doesn't happen, but always good to have a solid plan "B". Too bad our original plan "C" was our plan "B" and our "B" was actually our plan "C"

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  • Guiton is a senior this season, Cardale Jones should be third string. JT Barrett is a likely redshirt since he is rehabbing an acl injury.

    buckUBlue

  • buckUBlue said...

    Guiton is a senior this season, Cardale Jones should be third string. JT Barrett is a likely redshirt since he is rehabbing an acl injury.

    I was about to say, I didn't think your depth was as bad as ours at the end of last year.

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  • CMXI said...

    I was about to say, I didn't think your depth was as bad as ours at the end of last year.

    Guiton is what he is, he can manage a game if necessary. Cordale Jones has some great physical tools, but is/was very raw. As previously said, I highly doubt JT Barrett even sniffs the field this coming year, there's no need to rush a guy back from an ACL tear to be a backup.

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  • a2brutus said...

    ???? the spread is 10x's more fun to watch then (3 yds and a cloud of dust)...

    as for what is more successful? well, time will tell...

    tress went 12-0 with the most boring o ever

    urban went 12-0 with a very exciting o, so both are proven to work...

    as far as hard, smash mouth football, urban runs that too, look at our rb's; hyde, r smith, dunn (these are not little scat backs)

    i know urbz didnt recruit hyde and smith, but he did close on dunn and is offering some big backs going forward...

    i will admit, i was (and still am to an extent) torn about the idea of running the spread, however, if complimented with some power and real tough d's, i think (and hope) it can work...

    of course, in the end, i will take the w (being it smash mouth or spread) but ya gotta admit, its more fun watching your team score 30 plus vs winning 10-7 (see tress ball)

    Of course you are probably a fan of Oregon as well. Tsk, tsk. Such an "exciting" team. "They play like a video game and our so fun to watch." High scoring games aren't fun to watch imo. Winning 10-7 in a defensive battle is much more funner then a 30 plus point game, but then again I'm biased towards good defense. Not enough good defense out there these days.

    Johnzo18

  • a2brutus said...

    to each his own...

    i do believe a good d is more important to the team in terms of winning (defense wins championships)..

    It definitely is a personal preference thing. I would just rather win in a controlled game, by controlling the line of scrimmage, and letting your d go to town. Rather then trying to outscore teams.

    Johnzo18

  • Johnzo18 said...

    Anybody who likes spread style football, because clearly that is what he was implying. Deserves a tsk tsk. Am I saying that versions of the spread don't work, nope. However it is a sucky style of football that is for sure. The people that usually like the spread truly don't like football for what it is. Hard, smash mouth, hit you in the face, coming down hill, thumping each other football. Most people that like the spread also love video games, and think because they play video games they are an expert of football.

    I apologize for the harsh generalizations a head of time, I realize they are there. I just hate the spread game as a base offense in football.

    I'm old, so no, not a video gamer....

    I too LOVE smashmouth football. I wish all games were still outside on grass...

    That being said, I don't like the Oregon spread, I do like the way Urban ran it last year. He DOES utilize a big back and prioritizes the off tackle run first and foremost, as he has said numerous times upon his hire. Now, at UF, Tebow was his inside runner and his smaller backs were his outside threat. Last year, Hyde and Smith were his inside w/ Braxton being the outside. He will always have both, so my preference is to have a big RB with a QB that can option the edge with another fast back or slot shifted into the backfield.

    I have no problem with the old power I formation either, but as I've seen in the last 10 years or so, we've had ZERO outside threat from the run game unless Pryor scrambled. It is refreshing for us to actually have an offense designed to put pressure on the defense for the entire width of the field. We've lived through the "Punt is the most important play" and a year of Bollman calling all the plays, so this truly is refreshing....
    OT, BOLLMAN, what was MSU thinking?????

    RoboBuckeye

  • RoboBuckeye said...

    I'm old, so no, not a video gamer....

    I too LOVE smashmouth football. I wish all games were still outside on grass...

    That being said, I don't like the Oregon spread, I do like the way Urban ran it last year. He DOES utilize a big back and prioritizes the off tackle run first and foremost, as he has said numerous times upon his hire. Now, at UF, Tebow was his inside runner and his smaller backs were his outside threat. Last year, Hyde and Smith were his inside w/ Braxton being the outside. He will always have both, so my preference is to have a big RB with a QB that can option the edge with another fast back or slot shifted into the backfield.

    I have no problem with the old power I formation either, but as I've seen in the last 10 years or so, we've had ZERO outside threat from the run game unless Pryor scrambled. It is refreshing for us to actually have an offense designed to put pressure on the defense for the entire width of the field. We've lived through the "Punt is the most important play" and a year of Bollman calling all the plays, so this truly is refreshing.... OT, BOLLMAN, what was MSU thinking?????

    I definitely can concede that Meyer utilizes a form of the power run game out of his spread. And yes it is a much better offense than the Oregon spread. My hate for the spread, and especially a Rich Rod or Chip Kelly system trickles down towards hating on the U Meyer types of spread game. Just because of the fact that as a base offense it is definitely a form of the spread. I realize I generalize the spread offense, because no two are the same. However if I was a coach I would never run out of the spread offense as my base. It's just how I believe in building a team, and what style I personally believe in.

    Btw, if I was to hypothetically have a spread team I do agree with your preference. It is much easier to find a Big RB and a fast QB, then it is to find a Tim Tebow type. That would be my preference simply for recruiting options. Not too many Tebows or Kleins out there.

    This post was edited by Johnzo18 on 2/28/2013 at 1:48 AM

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  • Johnzo18 said...

    Anybody who likes spread style football, because clearly that is what he was implying. Deserves a tsk tsk. Am I saying that versions of the spread don't work, nope. However it is a sucky style of football that is for sure. The people that usually like the spread truly don't like football for what it is. Hard, smash mouth, hit you in the face, coming down hill, thumping each other football. Most people that like the spread also love video games, and think because they play video games they are an expert of football.

    I apologize for the harsh generalizations a head of time, I realize they are there. I just hate the spread game as a base offense in football.

    Bellichick, Harbaugh, Payton, Shanahan, McCarthy must truly not like football. Just because there are different style doesn't mean one is illegitimate. It is definitely a thinking man's game and the evolution of the sport is what makes it most exciting IMO.

    This post was edited by ABogie on 2/28/2013 at 12:30 PM

    ABogie

  • ABogie said...

    Bellichick, Harbaugh, Payton, Shanahan, McCarthy must truly not like football. Just because there are different style doesn't mean one is illegitimate. It is definitely a thinking man's game and the evolution of the sport is what makes it most exciting IMO.

    New England's bases offense is both of their TE's on the field at once, Just because Tom Brady is in the shotgun doesn't mean spread. Harbaugh runs power football, ooh he ran some zone read, and inverted veer last year, so that means his is a spread offense. Haha, that's so funny calling Harbaughs offense a spread. I said, I don't agree with teams that use the spread offense as their "base" offense. Where did I ever say that it can't be sprinkled into an offense? Btw I do agree that football is an evolving sport, but to try and throw those coaches names at me to support a base spread offense is laughable to me. I wasn't trashing the use of specific plays out of the spread to mix it up with your primary offense, but rather I was bashing the spread as the actual primary offense. I repeat, not a fan of the spread offense as my teams "base" offense.

    Johnzo18

  • Johnzo18 said...

    New England's bases offense is both of their TE's on the field at once, Just because Tom Brady is in the shotgun doesn't mean spread. Harbaugh runs power football, ooh he ran some zone read, and inverted veer last year, so that means his is a spread offense. Haha, that's so funny calling Harbaughs offense a spread. I said, I don't agree with teams that use the spread offense as their "base" offense. Where did I ever say that it can't be sprinkled into an offense? Btw I do agree that football is an evolving sport, but to try and throw those coaches names at me to support a base spread offense is laughable to me. I wasn't trashing the use of specific plays out of the spread to mix it up with your primary offense, but rather I was bashing the spread as the actual primary offense. I repeat, not a fan of the spread offense as my teams "base" offense.

    Wasn't using the mentioned coaches as examples of spread, just as something different then the base "hard, smash mouth, hit you in the face, coming down hill, thumping each other style of football". Most of the NFL could of worked as an example. I understand not liking the spread. I just thought it was silly to say that people who like the spread don't like football for what it truly is.

    This post was edited by ABogie on 2/28/2013 at 1:44 PM

    ABogie

  • Well for the most part...Harbaugh's offense is downhill smash mouth.

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  • Moon said...

    Well for the most part...Harbaugh's offense is downhill smash mouth.

    I would say more so with Alex Smith.

    ABogie

  • ABogie said...

    Wasn't using the mentioned coaches as examples of spread, just as something different then the base "hard, smash mouth, hit you in the face, coming down hill, thumping each other style of football". Most of the NFL could of worked as an example. I understand not liking the spread. I just thought it was silly to say that people who like the spread don't like football for what it truly is.

    I generalized a group of fans that like spread offense football. I even said in the conclusion that I made some generalizations, and I don't disagree with you that making generalizations isn't silly. Are their exceptions, of course their are. However most people that enjoy watching a high scoring spread offense game are much more casual fans and not "hardcore" football fans.

    I'm going to make an analogy For eg: why all the new rules in the NFL? So the game can be more high scoring and interesting on the surface too more casual fans that don't know or understand the game fully. People that don't appreciate defense and the trenches for what "football truly is" are not attracted to the old game. So they are trying to up points in games to draw in people that did not originally watch football. "A lot" of the new viewers like the high scoring video type of game. It is just like the new NHL(which by the way sucks) they want to up goals scored to draw viewers and have eliminated a lot of the rough and tumble, hacking, and holding from the game that used to make is so enjoyable to watch.

    I don't know if my NFL and NHL analogy make sense to others, but they do to me. I hope they are understandable.

    Johnzo18

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  • buttesnake said...

    stir

    Who'd they miss on now?

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  • MaizeandBlue21 said...

    Who'd they miss on now?

    Marcelys Jones is looking like less and less of an OSU commit now...which is funny because he is a Glenville kid. Apparently he has a lot of interest in Kentucky and possibly Alabama.

    Jack Daniels

  • Jack Daniels said...

    Marcelys Jones is looking like less and less of an OSU commit now...which is funny because he is a Glenville kid. Apparently he has a lot of interest in Kentucky and possibly Alabama.

    roflmao Hopefully he'll continue the long and proud tradition of Aundrey Walker - Glenville OLs going elsewhere when Ohio needs them badly.

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  • Jack Daniels said...

    Marcelys Jones is looking like less and less of an OSU commit now...which is funny because he is a Glenville kid. Apparently he has a lot of interest in Kentucky and possibly Alabama.

    That's just because "committed" doesn't mean anything these days. See: Ezekiel Elliot, David Dawson, Denzel Ward, Trey Johnson, Reuben Foster, Tony Stevens, etc. The list goes on and on.

    They're committed to your team when they sign the paperwork on Feb 6th, otherwise good luck!

    dukeluke

  • dukeluke said...

    That's just because "committed" doesn't mean anything these days. See: Ezekiel Elliot, David Dawson, Denzel Ward, Trey Johnson, Reuben Foster, Tony Stevens, etc. The list goes on and on.

    They're committed to your team when they sign the paperwork on Feb 6th, otherwise good luck!

    Denzel Ward was a different situation, the Michigan coaches dropped him after he moved to Florida without informing them and taking multiple visits to Florida. But regardless, you are right.

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  • dukeluke said...

    That's just because "committed" doesn't mean anything these days. See: Ezekiel Elliot, David Dawson, Denzel Ward, Trey Johnson, Reuben Foster, Tony Stevens, etc. The list goes on and on.

    They're committed to your team when they sign the paperwork on Feb 6th, otherwise good luck!

    coffee tell someone who cares

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  • Moon said...

    coffee tell someone who cares

    This thread cares, otherwise why talk about OSU OL recruiting? As far as I'm aware there are no 78 page threads on Michigan WR recruiting on any OSU forum I've been to lately lol.

    dukeluke

  • dukeluke said...

    This thread cares, otherwise why talk about OSU OL recruiting? As far as I'm aware there are no 78 page threads on Michigan WR recruiting on any OSU forum I've been to lately lol.

    As much as I hate to say it... Touché.

    Luger

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