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xxmgobluexx said...
Agreed on Pocic.
I look at it this way. We told the other Olinemen that we were taking 5. We have those 5 now. If we take Pocic, we lied to the other 5 and trust issues could start to creep into future recruiting. We let Pocic know that a spot is there, if it opens up, but he knew going in, it was first come first serve.
This plays into other positions also. If for example we told the LBers that we are only taking 2, they know that once one commits, there is only one more spot, commit now or lose your spot. Same with WR, and so on.
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xxmgobluexx said...
Agreed on Pocic.
I look at it this way. We told the other Olinemen that we were taking 5. We have those 5 now. If we take Pocic, we lied to the other 5 and trust issues could start to creep into future recruiting. We let Pocic know that a spot is there, if it opens up, but he knew going in, it was first come first serve.
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YuanT said...
Which part? The part about Hoke asking for it to be kept private or Pocic obviously not keeping it private? Assuming the recruits knew about the whole reserving spots for best available prospects, I'm OK with Hoke asking for it to be kept private. There's no reason everyone has to know whom Hoke considers best prospects available.
This post was edited by bkp1883 on 3/2/2012 at 9:20 AM
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bkp1883 said...
I don't really think Hoke should be intentionally withholding information that is very important and relevant to recruits college choices.
Rethinking it, its entirely possible that he is just trying to avoid alienating recruits he may want to offer if a decommit happens, but I still have reservations about this.
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YuanT said...
I don't get why it's important and relevant. Why is it important to Lisle's (just as an example, I have no idea if his offer was pulled) college choice that Pocic still has an offer? I'd think it's only important that Lisle knows that unless something changes, he no longer has one from Michigan. I'm not sure if this is what you mean by your 2nd sentence, but I'd think that telling Lisle that Pocic still had one is just throwing it in Lisle's face that Hoke values Pocic much more highly.
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YuanT said...
I guess we'll just disagree on this one. I just don't see saying that to a kid. "Listen, we've filled up on the guaranteed OL spots so unless something happens, you no longer have a spot. At this point, we'd only take OL commitments from Pocic, Tunsil, and McGovern because we think they're better than you."
This post was edited by bkp1883 on 3/2/2012 at 10:08 AM
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bkp1883 said...
Note, I have no problem with Hoke not being brutally honest about telling players where they rank on his list. My problem is with him telling Pocic to not let the "We are still open to another" truth of the matter out of the bag.
If he is pulling offers and telling those kids that Michigan is full, Michigan should be full. Period.
If Meyer were to do that, mgoblog would blow up with a 20 page thread of people calling him "Urban Liar".
EDIT: Maybe I am expecting a little too much from that angle. I am still fairly certain that he has told the current commits that he is only taking five, which would make taking another much worse anyways.
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bkp1883 said...
To be honest, at this point I'm not sure. I recognize that there is a pretty expansive grey area about what information is available to recruits and how it is presented.
My main issue is not with what he told other recruits, but what he told Pocic to keep a secret. If I were a recruit or the parent of a recruit, I would want to know if the team was actually full, or if Hoke was just saving the spot for the best available.
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I agree that this is all speculation at this point. I for one am willing to give the coaches the benefit of the doubt.
If any recruits are looking at this, I'd like them to take away that our fan base has members who care very much about the coaches treating them fairly, and not just about winning national championships.
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