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Will Meyer be left with scraps at OL?

  • a2brutus said...

    hey willy,

    i will admit that i thought osu's d was gonna be very good this yr, most osu fans have come to the realization that we have a poor linebacking crew and fick just blows as a d coordinator...

    its a crazy yr, we thought the o line and receivers would struggle (they have played very well) and we thought the d would be very solid (not the case) the d line and secondary look real good, but the lb's????? ughhhhh

    OSU has as much defensive talent as anyone in the B10. I could understand a slight dip with coaching changeover, but not as much as you have had. If PSU can still put a halfway decent defense on the field with everything they've been through, OSU should be able to do at least as well. Maybe we will see a big improvement by OSU's defense in the second half of the season (I hope not!), but I'm skeptical that Fickell or Withers are the right guys for the job. And I agree that the LB and DB play is the problem. Bad angles, missed tackles, overrunning assignments ... it's eerily similar to what we saw at UM in 2008 and 2009 (though nowhere near as God awful as our D was in 2010).

    MrWoodson ●

  • a2brutus said...

    yes, our d gives up a ton of yds,

    but our o has been saving us big time...

    urban is the complete opposite of the tress yrs....

    tress had a boring, low scoring o that usually ranked low in total yds/points but an elite d that was always ranked in the top 10...

    i dont really care if we win with great offense, or great defense, just give me the w baby...

    Absolutely. Your offense has been great and has saved you. So have TOs. And that punt return for a TD against UNL was huge when it happened. But the lack of defense will come back to bite you eventually. It always does.

    MrWoodson ●

  • a2brutus said...

    agreed,

    i doubt fickell will be the dc next season but its not all his fault, like you said, missed tackles, bad angles etc...that is on the players....

    they play aggresive (which is great) but they always go for the 'BIG HIT" instead of good fundamental wrapping...

    the epitome of this was during the msu game, dont know if you saw it, but a msu receiver ran about 20 yds with 4-5 osu players hitting him and trying to strip the ball instead of taking him down....

    ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!! those guys should still be running the stairs in the shoe...

    oh well, hopefully the d will step it up 2nd half of the season or we lose when braxton has an off day

    I remember that play very well. It was Mumphrey (sp?) and he broke several arm tackles and dragged 2-3 Buckeyes all the way to the endzone for a TD. The Bucks were busy trying to strip the ball but in the process forgot to stop him or tackle him. If it wasn't for a perfectly thrown pass by Braxton Miller on the next series, you might have lost the game because of it.

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  • a2brutus said...

    and the fumble recovery that was blown dead, the msu guy scores easy....

    the only saving grace was we were able to drive down on them pretty easy, so even if the msu fumble counted we still may have scored...we took a knee around midfield..but who knows...

    too close for comfort no matter how it ended up....

    whats ur thoughts on the msu/um matchup next week?

    im really looking forward to it!!!!

    i think u guys win a close, hard hitting game by 3-4 points

    MSU/UM ... IMO, on paper, we should win relatively easily. Our offense is similar to yours, but our defense has been playing much better. And the game is in AA not EL.

    BUT ... it's a rivalry game and I expect MSU to get up 100% for the game and play better against us than they have all year (much like you guys did last year). And we all know Denard can turn the ball over multiple times if he's not careful, so I would be lying if I said I wasnt a little nervous. IMO if Denard turns the ball over once or less, I think we win by two TDs. If he turns it over two times or more, it could be a nailbiter. I don't see MSU having the horses to blow us out, especially with our defense, but if we shoot ourselves in the foot with turnovers like we did against ND, MSU's defense is good enough to prevent us from pulling away and it could end up very close just like your game against them.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by WingedHelmet on 10/12/2012 at 4:20 PM

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  • WingedHelmet said...

    MSU/UM ... IMO, on paper, we should win relatively easily. Our offense is similar to yours, but our defense has been playing much better. And the game is in AA not EL.

    BUT ... it's a rivalry game and I expect MSU to get up 100% for the game and play better against us than they have all year (much like you guys did last year). And we all know Denard can turn the ball over multiple times if he's not careful, so I would be lying if I said I wasnt a little nervous. IMO if Denard turns the ball over once or less, I think we win by two TDs. If he turns it over two times or more, it could be a nailbiter. I don't see MSU having the horses to blow us out, especially with our defense, but if we shoot ourselves in the foot with turnovers like we did against ND, MSU's defense is good enough to prevent us from pulling away and it could end up very close just like your game against them.

    Ditto. I think we win by 10-14 points subject to no excessive TOs. I think we can afford to go -1 in TOs against Sparty, but more than that and it becomes a dogfight. I don't want a dogfight this year.

    MrWoodson ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    Ditto. I think we win by 10-14 points subject to no excessive TOs. I think we can afford to go -1 in TOs against Sparty, but more than that and it becomes a dogfight. I don't want a dogfight this year.

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  • a2brutus said...

    the key to beating msu is stopping bell (i know, im mr obvious)...but, msu did have success early on in our game with getting bell the ball in space (via screens) i dont know why they went away from that?????

    if, and i emphasize if, they get creative with the play calling, they can score some points...

    on the other side, denard is the key, msu has proven they can contain him...i dont think um can run right at them...denard will have to make some plays via the pass and (to parrot most um opinions) NO TURNOVERS!!!!

    i still think um wins, i thought that pre season and i think that now, however, this is msu's superbowl (much like our game with u in nov.) and coach d will throw the kitchen sink at u guys (u just know there are fake punts and field goals planned)...

    I truly believe we're going to handle MSU. I don't think saying this game is MSU's superbowl is a good argument for them. We want this game just as bad as they do. We know we need to win it for the Legends division. Same applies for the game against you guys. While you won't have a bowl and we're your last game no matter what, Hoke has these kids hating OSU so much that the effort will be equally maximized on both sides. Talent and schemes seldom change.

    I've watched MSU a bunch this year and love our matchup against them. I am confident we'll stop Bell. I see our DL and LB's stepping up due primarily to their O-line blowing. Then you have mediocre Maxwell and a core of receivers who are not good other than Burbridge. Their defense is solid, but both Bama's and ND's are better from what I've seen. We'll control most of that game.

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  • Ahh it's funny because our offensive line is the strength of our team!!!!!!

    Keep clinging to things, Skunks

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  • a2brutus said...

    the key to beating msu is stopping bell (i know, im mr obvious)...but, msu did have success early on in our game with getting bell the ball in space (via screens) i dont know why they went away from that?????

    if, and i emphasize if, they get creative with the play calling, they can score some points...

    on the other side, denard is the key, msu has proven they can contain him...i dont think um can run right at them...denard will have to make some plays via the pass and (to parrot most um opinions) NO TURNOVERS!!!!

    i still think um wins, i thought that pre season and i think that now, however, this is msu's superbowl (much like our game with u in nov.) and coach d will throw the kitchen sink at u guys (u just know there are fake punts and field goals planned)...

    Dion Sims scares me. I don't know if anyone on our D can match up with him.

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  • fursty13 said...

    Dion Sims scares me. I don't know if anyone on our D can match up with him.

    Jake Ryan is more than fast enough and has done a good job in coverage this year. It's a bit tougher if Sims gets matched up with a CB, but we did a very good job on Tyler Eifert in the ND game and he and Sims are comparable as receivers.

    MrWoodson ●

  • blue2468 said...

    He was being entirely sarcastic.

    Do we help him up into the tower? Helicopter him up? or Just wait for him down below? haha...

    DUDE!! You must be an only child, anyone with siblings has to be able to pass Sarcasm 101....

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  • in before the david dawson and dorian johnson commits and subsequent lock

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  • smith2ginn said...

    in before the david dawson and dorian johnson commits and subsequent lock

    Dawson will likely end up at MSU if he stays up north.

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  • smith2ginn said...

    in before the david dawson and dorian johnson commits and subsequent lock

    Dawson goes to Ohio...your correct. Its the Karma for us signing Kalis, you get Dawson now.

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  • CMXI said...

    If the competition were equal, I'd agree. When we're playing Alabama and you're playing UAB, well...it's a different story.

    How about now that you've played Nebraska, that we put 63 points on?

    just askin'...

    RoboBuckeye

  • RoboBuckeye said...

    How about now that you've played Nebraska, that we put 63 points on?

    just askin'...

    Meyer's system is designed to put up a lot of points. But why look at just offense? Let's focus on defense as well...

    Ohio gave up 38 points to Nebraska at home. Meanwhile, Michigan gave up only 23 to Nebraska on the road despite not having a QB that could sustain drives (and limit the number of possessions that Nebraska received).

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  • RoboBuckeye said...

    How about now that you've played Nebraska, that we put 63 points on?

    just askin'...

    Would that be the same Nebraska that, despite repeated turnovers, put up 38 on you in the Shoe?

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 10/31/2012 at 1:59 PM

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  • Frank C said...

    Meyer's system is designed to put up a lot of points. But why look at just offense? Let's focus on defense as well...

    Ohio gave up 38 points to Nebraska at home. Meanwhile, Michigan gave up only 23 to Nebraska on the road despite not having a QB that could sustain drives (and limit the number of possessions that Nebraska received).

    just a question....Which coach has a system that isn't designed to score points?? Is your offense not designed to score a lot of points??

    Every play, if blocked as diagrammed could go to the house....so to say Urban's offense is "designed" to score more points than say Alabama's isn't necessarily correct...Urban chooses to spread out the defense and make them tackle in space...It's not necessarily saying the defense can't defend it thus scoring more points, although making college kids tackle on an island is more difficult than having 2 or 3 teammates at your side tackling a RB out of the I formation...

    As you know, DRob is much more effective if he gets in a one on one situation with a defender...Alabama stuffed him by bringing multiple players at him...But most teams you face can't deal with him in space.

    RoboBuckeye

  • MrWoodson said...

    Would that be the same Nebraska that, despite repeated turnovers, put up 38 on you in the Shoe?

    They did.....I was replying to the gentleman that was talking about our competition..so I mentioned a team that we both have played...

    Would you have rather given up 23 to Nebraska and lost or given up 38 and won?

    Sometimes it seems some of you prefer stats to wins...

    RoboBuckeye

  • @ Rob:

    I should have been clearer: Urban's offense creates more big plays, scores faster, and therefore allows for more possessions.

    Also, I noticed that you still didn't touch on Ohio's defense.

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  • RoboBuckeye said...

    Would you have rather given up 23 to Nebraska and lost or given up 38 and won?

    That's a bullshit question.

    Michigan didn't have the benefit of playing the entire Nebraska game with its #1 QB.

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  • RoboBuckeye said...

    They did.....I was replying to the gentleman that was talking about our competition..so I mentioned a team that we both have played...

    Would you have rather given up 23 to Nebraska and lost or given up 38 and won?

    Sometimes it seems some of you prefer stats to wins...

    We've also both played MSU. You beat them 17-16 and we beat them 12-10. And we've also both played Purdue. You beat them 26-20 in OT. We beat them 44-13 in regulation. You are cherry picking the one game in which our starting QB was knocked out. Interestingly, you had the same problem against Nebraska in Lincoln last year. When Braxton Miller went down, your offense collapsed ... and UNL recorded their biggest comeback in school history. At least we didn't allow them to set any records against us.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    We've also both played MSU. You beat them 17-16 and we beat them 12-10. And we've also both played Purdue. You beat them 26-20 in OT. We beat them 44-13 in regulation. You are cherry picking the one game in which our starting QB was knocked out. Interestingly, you had the same problem against Nebraska in Lincoln last year. When Braxton Miller went down, your offense collapsed ... and UNL recorded their biggest comeback in school history. At least we didn't allow them to set any records against us.

    Aww, Come on....records are meant to be broken.....haha

    RoboBuckeye

  • RoboBuckeye said...

    Aww, Come on....records are meant to be broken.....haha

    If you want to troll then get off our board and take it to tBB, it's as simple as that. You're a guest here, remember that.

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  • Frank C said...

    @ Rob:

    I should have been clearer: Urban's offense creates more big plays, scores faster, and therefore allows for more possessions.

    Also, I noticed that you still didn't touch on Ohio's defense.

    Our defense definitely has trouble with a team that spreads it out and throws the quick passes because

    1) This basically eliminates our DL play...ball gets out quick=no sacks/pressure
    2) Our LB play has been bad, thus getting to the flats or covering RB in man hasn't been good
    3) Early in the season, our DC's (Fickell/Withers) were playing a soft, keep it in front of you zone. All this did was allow teams to rack up yardage and go up and down the field on us.

    Now, the last few games our defense has played much better at the demand of Urban saying he wants to see more press coverage, man up and get hits on the QB...

    Against Purdue, our defense did play better against the short passing, our offense wasn't great, then Braxton went down in 3rd Qtr....Guiton did come in and engineer two drives for TD's (one in OT)

    Against Nebraska and Penn State, honestly our defensive "dogs" were called off and there was no pressure put on the QB for their last couple drives...

    Our defense is using a 4 year Fullback as its starting MLB, and with other injuries all of our "Next in" LB's are true freshman...so we will see some breakdowns on that side of the ball...

    It hasn't cost us a game as of yet, it sure may, but it is learning curve for them and something we'll just have to deal with this year...we have some good D recruits coming in and this group will have another year under their belt for next year...This is the most freshman I've ever seen tOSU play significant minutes...14 Frosh so far this year have played in meaningful minutes....

    Our game against you will come down to obviously two things....Make DRob throw the ball and hope you don't have a lot of Bubble Screens in your game plan..

    RoboBuckeye

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