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Will Meyer be left with scraps at OL?

  • Pocic planning return trip to LSU. I don't see him being a Buckeye when it's all said and done..

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  • star69 said...

    Pocic planning return trip to LSU. I don't see him being a Buckeye when it's all said and done..

    I agree.

    buttesnake

  • star69 said...

    Pocic planning return trip to LSU. I don't see him being a Buckeye when it's all said and done..

    Hell yeah! So much for that homer 55% call by bucknuts.

    MichaelHardenII

  • star69 said...

    Pocic planning return trip to LSU. I don't see him being a Buckeye when it's all said and done..

    Nice.

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  • Youre going to be surprised by Taylor Decker, Joey Oconnor and Jacoby Boren. Jacoby and Taylor have earned alot of praise from Urban.And Kyle Dodson and Ethan Pocic have tons of offers they aren't scrubs...

    This post was edited by JTforpresident on 5/28/2012 at 1:23 PM

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  • JTforpresident said...

    Youre going to be surprised by Taylor Decker. And Kyle Dodson and Ethan Pocic have tons of offers

    We know. All Ohio commits are the greatest. blah blah blah.

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  • JTforpresident said...

    Youre going to be surprised by Taylor Decker, Joey Oconnor and Jacoby Boren. Jacoby and Taylor have earned alot of praise from Urban.And Kyle Dodson and Ethan Pocic have tons of offers they aren't scrubs...

    Pocic isn't a Buckeye...

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  • JTforpresident said...

    Youre going to be surprised by Taylor Decker, Joey Oconnor and Jacoby Boren. Jacoby and Taylor have earned alot of praise from Urban.And Kyle Dodson and Ethan Pocic have tons of offers they aren't scrubs...

    Man, you're going to be surprised by our entire team. They've earned a lot of praise from Hoke. And Logan Tuley Tillman and David Dawson (who is actually committed) have tons of offers they aren't scrubs...

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  • I meant Evan lisle. And LTT and dawson aren't scrubs, never said they were. You guys just act like out OL is full of scrubs and your DL is filled with all-stars.

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  • JTforpresident said...

    I meant Evan lisle. And LTT and dawson aren't scrubs, never said they were. You guys just act like out OL is full of scrubs and your DL is filled with all-stars.

    You have to admit that for the last few years, your line has been pretty weak. It doesn't look like you'll be getting many top prospects this year either. I don't think Urban would say anything else other than that they look good.

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  • It has sucked, but bollmans is gone now. And like I said, if we get Peterson, lisle, and Pocic, well be in real good shape.

    JTforpresident

  • Bollman actually was aces when it came to recruiting 5* lineman. What he did with them once on campus is another story altogether.

    Top midwestern lineman aren't going to be lining up to play in a zone blocking scheme.

    Norbit

  • Norbit said...

    Bollman actually was aces when it came to recruiting 5* lineman. What he did with them once on campus is another story altogether.

    Top midwestern lineman aren't going to be lining up to play in a zone blocking scheme.

    A zone blocking scheme also does not require elite OL to be effective. A pro scheme requires them and UM is loading up. OSU's scheme relies on playmakers and they are loading up. It is yet to be seen who will be more effective, but clearly they are recruiting to fit the scheme.

    Would OSU love elite lineman? Of course, but they aren't getting them yet nor are they needed to have an effective offense in that system.
    Would UM love elite playmakers? Of course, but they aren't getting them yet either.

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  • tedfitz10 said...

    A zone blocking scheme also does not require elite OL to be effective. A pro scheme requires them and UM is loading up. OSU's scheme relies on playmakers and they are loading up. It is yet to be seen who will be more effective, but clearly they are recruiting to fit the scheme.

    Would OSU love elite lineman? Of course, but they aren't getting them yet nor are they needed to have an effective offense in that system. Would UM love elite playmakers? Of course, but they aren't getting them yet either.

    Morris QB elite, Darboh solid 4 star WR. Funchess and Butt are playmakers. Nortfleet is a high four star playmaker. Deveon Smith is a playmaker. Michigan will be fine at the playmaker spots. I am not so sure OSU will be fine on the OL. And yes you do need good OL to play in the big ten. The better defenses will expose a weak OL.

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  • tedfitz10 said...

    A zone blocking scheme also does not require elite OL to be effective. A pro scheme requires them and UM is loading up. OSU's scheme relies on playmakers and they are loading up. It is yet to be seen who will be more effective, but clearly they are recruiting to fit the scheme.

    Would OSU love elite lineman? Of course, but they aren't getting them yet nor are they needed to have an effective offense in that system.
    Would UM love elite playmakers? Of course, but they aren't getting them yet either.

    Agree to some extent. But OSU is starting to see one of the major drawbacks of a run-based spread offense ... many elite players at certain positions are reluctant to play in such a system. Pro-style QB, OL, WR, every down RB. It will be interesting to see if Urbie can even keep top Ohio talent at those positions from leaving the state. Elite prospects want a path to the NFL and blocking for a running QB generally is not what they have in mind when picking a school. And pulling OOS kids who did not grow up diehard Buckeyes is even tougher. Get used to a lot of undersized OL, WRs and RBs.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 5/29/2012 at 12:56 PM

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  • tedfitz10 said...

    A zone blocking scheme also does not require elite OL to be effective. A pro scheme requires them and UM is loading up. OSU's scheme relies on playmakers and they are loading up. It is yet to be seen who will be more effective, but clearly they are recruiting to fit the scheme.

    Would OSU love elite lineman? Of course, but they aren't getting them yet nor are they needed to have an effective offense in that system. Would UM love elite playmakers? Of course, but they aren't getting them yet either.

    Right.... who needs lineman in a run first spread. Sound logic. Why even waste scholarships on them? Urb can just throw some preferred walkons out there and scheme circles around the BIG.

    And where are all these playmakers you speak of? I see Marshall and.... (fill in the blank) because I'm drawing one? In the meantime Michigan will keep stock piling those useless linemen in abundance. Good comparison though. Totally see your point...

    Norbit

  • Norbit said...

    Right.... who needs lineman in a run first spread. Sound logic. Why even waste scholarships on them? Urb can just throw some preferred walkons out there and scheme circles around the BIG.

    And where are all these playmakers you speak of? I see Marshall and.... (fill in the blank) because I'm drawing one? In the meantime Michigan will keep stock piling those useless linemen in abundance. Good comparison though. Totally see your point...

    If you want to have an intelligent conversation, I'm game, but that isn't what I said AT ALL. All I said is that it doesn't require ELITE OL. Of course you need good/great OL to win the B1G, but the idea of the spread is to get playmakers in space (in it's simplest form). To do that, you create mismatches via alignment, etc. All I said was that ELITE OL is more a requirement for a pro team than a spread team. OSU needs quickness and speed in space. UM needs an elite QB (check), elite OL (check) and of course playmakers (check). UM has done great recruiting no doubt, but please read the post before responding completely off topic.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Agree to some extent. But OSU is starting to see one of the major drawbacks of a run-based spread offense ... many elite players at certain positions are reluctant to play in such a system. Pro-style QB, OL, WR, every down RB. It will be interesting to see if Urbie can even keep top Ohio talent at those positions from leaving the state. Elite prospects want a path to the NFL and blocking for a running QB generally is not what they have in mind when picking a school. And pulling OOS kids who did not grow up diehard Buckeyes is even tougher. Get used to a lot of undersized OL, WRs and RBs.

    Agree. Will be interesting how this plays out and what type of talent Urb will be able to attract that fits his scheme. I'm hopeful, but certainly not sold.

    This post was edited by tedfitz10 on 5/29/2012 at 1:24 PM

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    Morris QB elite, Darboh solid 4 star WR. Funchess and Butt are playmakers. Nortfleet is a high four star playmaker. Deveon Smith is a playmaker. Michigan will be fine at the playmaker spots. I am not so sure OSU will be fine on the OL. And yes you do need good OL to play in the big ten. The better defenses will expose a weak OL.

    I'll give you Morris. The rest are good/great, but I don't consider them elite. We can agree to disagree though. But OSU is brigning in good/great OL, just not ELITE like you guys are (Lisle, Decker, O'Conner, Dodson). It's not like OSU isn't addressing a huge problem, they just aren't doing it as successfully as UM. I would say same for UM at playmaker. Those guys are good/great, but I don't think they have pulled in a "can't miss" guy like most think Marshall will be.

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  • tedfitz10 said...

    I'll give you Morris. The rest are good/great, but I don't consider them elite. We can agree to disagree though. But OSU is brigning in good/great OL, just not ELITE like you guys are (Lisle, Decker, O'Conner, Dodson). It's not like OSU isn't addressing a huge problem, they just aren't doing it as successfully as UM. I would say same for UM at playmaker. Those guys are good/great, but I don't think they have pulled in a "can't miss" guy like most think Marshall will be.

    Jake Butt will be an elite TE. He is underranked on 247 because they initially ranked him as a DE. He is ranked much higher on Scout, Rivals and ESPN (equal to or higher than Baugh). He has great size, good hands and good speed.

    Darboh also has tons of potential. Great height/size and great hands. Will he be elite? Too early to tell. But he will almost certainly be a solid playmaker. Chesson is similar, albeit faster. And Deveon Smith will be a very good every down RB. UM is signing plenty of playmakers, at least as many as OSU.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 5/29/2012 at 1:37 PM

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  • I hate to say it, but I think he has a good point. The rankings of their offensive linemen and our "skill" recruits is similar; four stars across the board, but not many five stars/elite players. However, I do think that there is a bigger variance in offensive linemen and how they produce in college, and that the best thing to do is stockpile a bunch of studs, like Hoke is doing. Which is a great thing. Everything starts in the trenches

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  • Pocic to LSU. LOLOLOLOL

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Pocic to LSU. LOLOLOLOL

    lol

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Jake Butt will be an elite TE. He is underranked on 247 because they initially ranked him as a DE. He is ranked much higher on Scout, Rivals and ESPN (equal to or higher than Baugh). He has great size, good hands and good speed.

    Darboh also has tons of potential. Great height/size and great hands. Will he be elite? Too early to tell. But he will almost certainly be a solid playmaker. Chesson is similar, albeit faster. And Deveon Smith will be a very good every down RB. UM is signing plenty of playmakers, at least as many as OSU.

    You are kind of helping me prove my point. I never said UM isn't signing ENOUGH playmakers, just that they may be lacking ELITE playmakers. You are right ... all the guys you name have high upside and the potential to be elite playmakers or UM would not have offered. But none of them are can't miss guys.

    Lisle, Decker, Dodson, O'Connor, Boren could be elite. They could be busts. I do know they are all very good with loads of potential, but I don't think anyone considers them ELITE can't miss guys. OSU's OL recruiting is not as bad as you guys would like to believe (still need numbers) just like your playmaker recruting isn't as bad as OSU fans would like to believe. This is all I'm saying. Not trying to be controversial.

    tedfitz10 ●

  • maize&blue21 said...

    Pocic to LSU. LOLOLOLOL

    Two days ago Bill Kurilec put him as 55% chance of committing to the Buckeyes.

    Didn't even list LSU as a school Pocic was considering.

    This post was edited by bkp1883 on 5/29/2012 at 2:02 PM

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