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Who Should be a 1 Seed? (Blind Resume Time)

  • I've placed the new AP top 10 in random order on a spreadsheet and looked at what most people consider the most important criteria for tournament seeding (record, RPI, strength of schedule, record vs RPI top 25, and bad losses, which I consider anything worse than an RPI top 65 team). Who do you think should be the one seeds and who should be the two seeds? I'll reveal which team is which later tonight.

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    Mark Zakrajsek

  • I'll say I, C, F, and B.

    Interesting stuff though.

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    Ducksworth ●

  • I would go with the

    1 seeds - B, C, F, and I. not in any order though

    2 seeds A, D, E, J

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    WillyWolverine

  • B, C, F, and I in my opinion as 1 seeds.

    This post was edited by fursty13 on 3/4/2013 at 4:23 PM

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    I would go with the

    1 seeds - B, C, F, and I. not in any order though

    2 seeds A, D, E, J

    panic. Same choices 2 seconds apart.

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    fursty13 ●

  • fursty13 said...

    panic. Same choices 2 seconds apart.

    panic Get out of my head! Trust me you won't like it in there.

    This post was edited by WillyWolverine on 3/4/2013 at 4:25 PM

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    WillyWolverine

  • In order: C, I, F, and G

    for strength of schedule and record against the top 25 and record

    edit: missed F somehow.
    edit2: J, B, E, and A for 2 seeds

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by inuyesta on 3/4/2013 at 4:31 PM

    inuyesta ●

  • #1 Seeds: C, J, I, F

    #2 Seeds: B, E, A, G

    #3 Seeds: H, D

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 3/4/2013 at 5:22 PM

    MrWoodson ●

  • I say the one seeds should be C,E,F,I

    The two seeds should be A,B,G, and J

    VirginiaBlues88

  • Gotta jump on the B, C, F, I bandwagon, in alphabetical order.

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    shavisimo2 ●

  • I think team E should be 24-5

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    Clarkw267

  • Clarkw267 said...

    I think team E should be 24-5

    Ha, you are correct, a few of these records might be off by a game because the records I looked at were only against division one opponents.

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    Mark Zakrajsek

  • Here is the big reveal:

    A= Georgetown
    B= Gonzaga
    C= Indiana
    D= Kansas State
    E= Michigan
    F= Kansas
    G= Miami
    H= Michigan State
    I= Duke
    J= Louisville

    Everybody said Duke, Indiana, and Kansas deserved a one seed with Gonzaga getting the most votes for the final one seed. Interestingly enough, there is a decent chance that all three of the consensus one seeds lose this week.

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    Mark Zakrajsek

  • B, C, F and I in no order at this point. E and F are very close depending on how the next two weeks go however.

    Jordan11 ●

  • I am also gonna go with C I F B.

    And I mean let's face it, we all know which teams those are, it's not very blind at this level lol

    UMSkeletor

  • I said I G F C

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    neoavatara

  • One thing though is your stats for Gonzaga are skewed. It was clear that B was Gonzaga before I saw your post revealing the teams, but you list them as 2-0 vs. RPI top-25 with no bad losses. The issue there is that they have 2 losses, against Illinois (#13 at the time they played), and Butler (#13 at the time they played). No other team was ranked when they played them, so how are they 2-0 vs the top-25? I think a lot less people would've picked the Bulldogs had that been 0-2 vs. RPI top-25 and 28-0 vs. unranked teams.

    Dizzo

  • Dizzo said...

    One thing though is your stats for Gonzaga are skewed. It was clear that B was Gonzaga before I saw your post revealing the teams, but you list them as 2-0 vs. RPI top-25 with no bad losses. The issue there is that they have 2 losses, against Illinois (#13 at the time they played), and Butler (#13 at the time they played). No other team was ranked when they played them, so how are they 2-0 vs the top-25? I think a lot less people would've picked the Bulldogs had that been 0-2 vs. RPI top-25 and 28-0 vs. unranked teams.

    Kansas St. and Oklahoma St. are both in the RPI top 25.

    Illinois and Butler fall between that 25 and 68 range.

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    Clarkw267

  • Clarkw267 said...

    Kansas St. and Oklahoma St. are both in the RPI top 25.

    Illinois and Butler fall between that 25 and 68 range.

    This highlights how questionable Gonzaga's resume is for a #1 seed. You should need to do more than beat the RPI #17 (KSU) and RPI #26 (OKST) teams and avoid really bad losses to get a #1 seed. Think about that. They haven't played a single team in the RPI top 16 while all of the other teams under consideration have played several (and most will play more in their upcoming conference tournaments). Additionally, 17 of Gonzaga's 28 wins are against teams outside the RPI top 100. I realize it's how the system works, but IMO their resume just doesn't merit a #1 seed.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 3/4/2013 at 7:39 PM

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  • Mark Zakrajsek said...

    I've placed the new AP top 10 in random order on a spreadsheet and looked at what most people consider the most important criteria for tournament seeding (record, RPI, strength of schedule, record vs RPI top 25, and bad losses, which I consider anything worse than an RPI top 65 team). Who do you think should be the one seeds and who should be the two seeds? I'll reveal which team is which later tonight.

    1 Seeds: C, G, F, I
    2 Seeds: A, B, H, J

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    UMRSB

  • In the current scenario, I don't think Miami will get a 1 seed, but they should. 5-2 against the top 25 while ranking 3rd and 4th in RPI and SOS respectively. Then take Ito account how they completely beat down Duke earlier this year. I'd say them over Kansas with the rest being the same as everyone else. That loss to TCU was horrendous even though "bad losses" don't matter as much.

    Those were my picks before I saw who everyone was btw. Love the blind resumes.

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    mac1992 ●

  • I had gone with CFGI

    I could live with those seeds.

    Georgem80

  • Dizzo said...

    One thing though is your stats for Gonzaga are skewed. It was clear that B was Gonzaga before I saw your post revealing the teams, but you list them as 2-0 vs. RPI top-25 with no bad losses. The issue there is that they have 2 losses, against Illinois (#13 at the time they played), and Butler (#13 at the time they played). No other team was ranked when they played them, so how are they 2-0 vs the top-25? I think a lot less people would've picked the Bulldogs had that been 0-2 vs. RPI top-25 and 28-0 vs. unranked teams.

    It's not about playing teams ranked in the top 25, it's the top 25 in the RPI. Oklahoma and Kansas St. are both top 25 in the RPI right now. Gonzaga's only two losses are to Illinois (RPI = 34) and Butler (RPI = 26) which are hardly bad losses. In fact, Gonzaga is 11-2 total against the RPI top 100 which is a really impressive record. While they have clearly not faced the grind that is the B1G regular season, they have proven themselves to be one of the top teams in the country and deserve the shot at a 1 seed. If they lose a game in the conference tourney, though they probably drop to a 3 seed.

    Question off of this information: what is Gonzaga's conference record if they played in the B1G? I'm guessing somewhere between 10-8 and 12-6.

    Ansky712

  • BCFI. Seems to be a lot of inbreeding going on here...or maybe it is just common sense. F (Kansas) is really a close call with several others.

    Tom May

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