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What will Gedeon bring to Michigan?

  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Agree to disagree. Regarding the rest of your post, both team's classes are going to have prospects with and without offers from each rival, it doesn't make a prospect inferior or elite. Both staffs are going to recruit who they see fit and sometimes those paths don't cross on the recruiting trail. We have 4* without offers from you guys the same way you have 4* without offers from us. Both teams are going to recruit well year in and year out, anyone who disagrees is delusional or a blatant homer. I have no problem giving props where props are due, Elliot is a good pickup for you guys just not for us, it works both ways with some of our prospects for you guys.

    Exactly, You guys are transfering to our offense, while we're going with Meyer's spread. Offensive targets change. I can't believe I'm not getting trashed yet.panic

    dkerns

  • dkerns said...

    Exactly, You guys are transfering to our offense, while we're going with Meyer's spread. Offensive targets change. I can't believe I'm not getting trashed yet.panic

    Hope you know that OSU is going to struggle in that new offense. Just warning you.

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  • dkerns said...

    I can't believe I'm not getting trashed yet.panic

    Not everything you hear about us is true. biggrin

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    We'll gladly take them, notice our staff didn't pursue Love, our staff pursued who they viewed as the top LB on their board, your staff is doing the same.

    That's fair. Our new staff values speed over almost anything else. Love is football fast. That's a reson why we didn't pursue Geodon, other than He said we didn't focus on academics while talking to him even though we stopped going after Bob Foster because he didn't want to hear about academics.

    dkerns

  • dkerns said...

    Exactly, You guys are transfering to our offense, while we're going with Meyer's spread. Offensive targets change. I can't believe I'm not getting trashed yet.panic

    Impossible! According to Bucknuts, we're the worst mods ever. biggrin

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Hope you know that OSU is going to struggle in that new offense. Just warning you.

    How? Not being mean, but how? Maybe, the first year or for a couple games, but shouldn't be more than that.

    dkerns

  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Impossible! According to Bucknuts, we're the worst mods ever. biggrin

    That's because we have ignorant posters. Who come over here and say you suck, and get banned. Which is alright it's your board. You're choices are different than ours nothing wrong with that.

    dkerns

  • maize&blue21 said...
    . Also, Alex Anzalone < Ben Gedeon.

    Your opinion not mine.

    dkerns

  • dkerns said...

    How? Not being mean, but how? Maybe, the first year or for a couple games, but shouldn't be more than that.

    Granted you have talent on O but it's still a completely new system and a new blocking scheme. Most likely, there will be growing pains as everyone gets used to it. How long that is, is yet to be seen. Maybe it's just a couple games, maybe it's more, nobody really knows until they get out there on gameday.

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Granted you have talent on O but it's still a completely new system and a new blocking scheme. Most likely, there will be growing pains as everyone gets used to it. How long that is, is yet to be seen. Maybe it's just a couple games, maybe it's more, nobody really knows until they get out there on gameday.

    From doing research on Meyer's system and based off of what he says. It essentially power run plays from the spread. But, you have a point no one will know. Our offense finally beat the defense in a winner/ loser day.

    dkerns

  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Granted you have talent on O but it's still a completely new system and a new blocking scheme. Most likely, there will be growing pains as everyone gets used to it. How long that is, is yet to be seen. Maybe it's just a couple games, maybe it's more, nobody really knows until they get out there on gameday.

    The biggest struggle will be the OLine. Replacing Shugarts, Adams, Brewster, Zach Boren (FB), and Herron is hard enough since they were key guys protecting Braxton at the end of last season. Throw in a likely new blocking scheme and it will surely be an area of concern. We had much worse talent on the OL when RR took over, but what was really painful that year was watching the obvious protection mistakes being made which were getting our RBs and QBs killed by unblocked defenders.

    This post was edited by Dizzo on 4/12/2012 at 5:17 PM

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Granted you have talent on O but it's still a completely new system and a new blocking scheme. Most likely, there will be growing pains as everyone gets used to it. How long that is, is yet to be seen. Maybe it's just a couple games, maybe it's more, nobody really knows until they get out there on gameday.

    Couldn't have said it better, also add in the much more complex play book and lack of true play makers.

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  • Dizzo said...

    The biggest struggle will be the OLine. Replacing Shugarts, Adams, Brewster, Zach Boren (FB), and Herron is hard enough, throw in a likely new blocking scheme and it will surely be an area of concern. We had much worse talent on the OL when RR took over, but what was really painful that year was watching the obvious protection mistakes being made which were getting our RBs and QBs killed by unblocked defenders.

    From what's been reported our line will be alright, but why will we have to replace of FB? I'm confused. I don't think we're running the I. Hyde's reports have been good, and Brionte's have been better so I don't think losing Herron is that bad. But their will be growing pains in the new system no doubt about that.

    dkerns

  • maize&blue21 said...

    "lack of true play makers."

    Main problem. We have backs, but the receivers are starting to come along according to practice reports. The tight ends and running backs will take some of the load of the receivers until they mature.

    dkerns

  • dkerns said...

    From doing research on Meyer's system and based off of what he says. It essentially power run plays from the spread. But, you have a point no one will know. Our offense finally beat the defense in a winner/ loser day.

    The hard part isn't necessarily getting kids to learn the system, the hard part is getting them comfortable in it. Players excel when they feel comfortable in the system and can react to the game instead of over thinking. That was part of Denard's problem last year. You want kids playing fast and reacting, not think over thinking about who to block, where to run, checkdowns, etc.

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    The hard part isn't necessarily getting kids to learn the system, the hard part is getting them comfortable in it. Players excel when they feel comfortable in the system and can react to the game instead of over thinking. That was part of Denard's problem last year. You want kids playing fast and reacting, not think over thinking about who to block, where to run, checkdowns, etc.

    Good part is Braxton should be comfertable and fast. Yeah, that stats are on your side with Denard having a problem last year,

    dkerns

  • dkerns said...

    That's fair. Our new staff values speed over almost anything else. Love is football fast. That's a reson why we didn't pursue Geodon, other than He said we didn't focus on academics while talking to him even though we stopped going after Bob Foster because he didn't want to hear about academics.

    There's zero evidence to suggest that Thomas would flip and endless evidence that suggests he'll sign with Michigan. Ohio wanted Gedeon and bucknuts will deny that any player was pursued hard if they commit elsewhere. Gedeon fits the mold of the LBs that Urban took at Florida and it makes no sense to offer the kid on Jan 29 and then not pursue him within a month later. Urban has been selective with offers and you don't just offer a kid and then not pursue him because he isn't fast enough. If this were true then the offer would not have been on the table in the first place. The notion that Urban is recruiting for national championships and Michigan is only looking to compete in the Big Ten is buckeye arrogance at its best. It's simply different players in different systems. Gedeon is a player that would have worked in both.

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  • dkerns said...

    Good part is Braxton should be comfertable and fast. Yeah, that stats are on your side with Denard having a problem last year,

    I don't know all that much on Urban's spread but to run out of the spread, you're going to need blocking on the edge(WR's) and strength at the point of attack. How confident are you that your WR's can block to create running lanes for your ground game? Assuming it's a spread option, then Braxton isn't going to have to make correct reads on the ground game but the passing game shouldn't be complex and most of the checkdowns will take place from the sidelines, that's a good and bad thing. If you do see struggles during the season, it'll most likely be upfront and creating a ground game with just the RB's. The spread means Braxton is probably going to have to take more responsibility, which is a lot of pressure for a sophomore JMO.

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  • LouHarlow said...

    There's zero evidence to suggest that Thomas would flip and endless evidence that suggests he'll sign with Michigan. Ohio wanted Gedeon and bucknuts will deny that any player was pursued hard if they commit elsewhere. Gedeon fits the mold of the LBs that Urban took at Florida and it makes no sense to offer the kid on Jan 29 and then not pursue him within a month later. Urban has been selective with offers and you don't just offer a kid and then not pursue him because he isn't fast enough. If this were true then the offer would not have been on the table in the first place. The notion that Urban is recruiting for national championships and Michigan is only looking to compete in the Big Ten is buckeye arrogance at its best. It's simply different players in different systems. Gedeon is a player that would have worked in both.

    There it is that's what I've been waiting for! headslap

    Urban's been selective alright. Of course, he is relatively selective in comparison to Hoke. Tressell was selective (sniper), Meyer (shotgun) is not. He's got a lot of offers out right now. Urban wants Anzalone and Love. I don't get the reasoning behind who he offers. Some are commitable and others you need to camp for. I don't know why he does it, but from what's been reported. Gedeon would be a good player for us. I'm not doubting that at all. But we have others higher than Gedeon. Nothing wrong with that. The notion never came out of my mouth. I simply mentioned that Urban's focusing more on national recruiting more than Ohio this year and than Tressell did. Notice if you read more than that comment I've said that repeatedly to Tamu.

    On the Thomas issue, your posters have already pointed this out to me and I've repeatedly said we will see.

    This post was edited by dkerns on 4/12/2012 at 5:48 PM

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    I don't know all that much on Urban's spread but to run out of the spread, you're going to need blocking on the edge(WR's) and strength at the point of attack. How confident are you that your WR's can block to create running lanes for your ground game? Assuming it's a spread option, then Braxton isn't going to have to make correct reads on the ground game but the passing game shouldn't be complex and most of the checkdowns will take place from the sidelines, that's a good and bad thing. If you do see struggles during the season, it'll most likely be upfront and creating a ground game with just the RB's. The spread means Braxton is probably going to have to take more responsibility, which is a lot of pressure for a sophomore JMO.

    Understandable, look how Forcier looked lost during his (sophmore??) year. From what I've read its more of a power spread with tradition runs than the option which isn't to say the option won't be a part of it.

    dkerns

  • dkerns said...

    Understandable, look how Forcier looked lost during his (sophmore??) year. From what I've read its more of a power spread with tradition runs than the option which isn't to say the option won't be a part of it.

    It should be interesting to watch, it all starts upfront and that appears to be an unknown for you guys, at least right now until the season starts.

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    It should be interesting to watch, it all starts upfront and that appears to be an unknown for you guys, at least right now until the season starts.

    Yeah, It did work relatively well in the SEC, but of course Florida had better lineman.

    Edit: Down vote why?

    This post was edited by dkerns on 4/12/2012 at 6:29 PM

    dkerns

  • Hoke has given out 109 offers so far, Meyer 101. Just sayin'.

    This post was edited by buttesnake on 4/12/2012 at 6:00 PM

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  • buttesnake said...

    Hoke has given out 109 offers so far, Meyer 101. Just sayin'.

    See relatively more selectivebiggrin, but you made my point against Lou. So I thank you!

    Edit: This was a joke, why the downvote?

    This post was edited by dkerns on 4/12/2012 at 6:29 PM

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  • dkerns said...

    (From what's being said on TOS, it appears that it's very highly likely, we do end up with Thomas at the end)

    roflmao

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