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VA Tech Catch(or not)

  • This is courtesy of mgoblog for those of you that don't go over there.

    Incomplete Pass
    ARTICLE 7. a. Any forward pass is incomplete if the ball is out of bounds by rule or if it touches the ground when not firmly controlled by a player. It also is incomplete when a player leaves his feet and receives the pass but first lands on or outside a boundary line, unless his progress has been stopped in the field of play or end zone (Rule 4-1-3-p) (A.R. 2-4-3-III and A.R. 7-3-7-I).

    This post was edited by ilovetombrady on 1/4/2012 at 3:02 PM

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  • Elbow touched down inbounds before any part of him or the ball touched the sideline. Ball was within his control the entire time. It was and is a catch. Thanks for the pic.

    This post was edited by Fatarat on 1/4/2012 at 3:05 PM

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  • how do you post a gif?

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  • Fatarat said...

    Elbow touched down inbounds before any part of him or the ball touched the sideline. Ball was within his control the entire time. It was and is a catch. Thanks for the pic.

    Nope. Look again, ball moves when it hits the ground and he doesn't have control until he is out of bounds.

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  • Fatarat said...

    Elbow touched down before any part of him or the ball touched outside. Ball was within his control the entire time. It was and is a catch. Thanks for the pic.

    Disagree. ball pops up into his chest when it hits the ground helping him to keep control of the ball. Not a catch.

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  • Not a catch, you can easily tell the ball is in one position before it hits the ground, then when it does hit the ground it is jammed into his chest

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  • ilovetombrady said...

    Nope. Look again, ball moves when it hits the ground and he doesn't have control until he is out of bounds.

    I watched it thirty times last night. His elbow was under the ball and he had control of it--both it and his arm move in tandem (which is still control). I agree with the official on the field, Blackledge, and Nessler that it was a catch. In any event, there's no way that it was indisputable that the ball moved, and IMO, and in the opinion of the announcers, the call shouldn't have been reversed. Hell of a catch by that kid and the refs should have let the game be decided on the field. Oh well.

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  • Fatarat said...

    I watched it thirty times last night. His elbow was under the ball and he had control of it--both it and his arm move in tandem (which is still control). I agree with the official on the field, Blackledge, and Nessler that it was a catch. In any event, there's no way that it was indisputable that the ball moved, and IMO, and in the opinion of the announcers, the call shouldn't have been reversed. Hell of a catch by that kid and the refs should have let the game be decided on the field. Oh well.

    Click the pic... There's plenty of evidence to overturn that call.

    1: the ball moves when hit ground
    2: when ball stopped moving he was out of bounds

    Case Closed.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Not a catch, you can easily tell the ball is in one position before it hits the ground, then when it does hit the ground it is jammed into his chest

    But his forearm is securing it to his body. The ball is not bobbled or unsecure when it's moving up his chest. It's moving in tandem with his forearm, secured.

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  • ilovetombrady said...

    Click the pic... There's plenty of evidence to overturn that call.

    1: the ball moves when hit ground 2: when ball stopped moving he was out of bounds

    Case Closed.

    Plenty of people disagree with you, and when that's the case replay is not supposed to overturn the call on the field. That's the standard.

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  • Fatarat said...

    Plenty of people disagree with you, and when that's the case replay is not supposed to overturn the call on the field. That's the standard.

    This should be a catch to then right?

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    Junior Hemingway touchdown catch...

    ...according to everyone except the officials

    http://www.youtube.com/v/pwa7WcRx_G4
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  • Fatarat said...

    But his forearm is securing it to his body. The ball is not bobbled or unsecure when it's moving up his chest. It's moving in tandem with his forearm, secured.

    His forearm does not move with the ball. Look at the gif up there. the tip of the ball is at his bicep at the beginning. It then rotates towards his hand with his forearm remaining in the same position. Are you disagreeing with any of that? Because if you don't, then it's a catch. If you do, then watch it again.

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  • Fatarat said...

    But his forearm is securing it to his body. The ball is not bobbled or unsecure when it's moving up his chest. It's moving in tandem with his forearm, secured.

    No its not. The ball is straight up and down when it hits the ground. The Ground causes the ball to move and turn up into his chest. The ground secures the ball to his chest not his forearm.;

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  • If the ball moves after IT HITS THE GROUND, it's not a catch. The rule is conveniently posted with the gif. If you need help comprehending the rules, I'll see if there's a gif for that.
    End of story.
    Lock the thread.

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  • You see what you want to see. I think it hits the ground and into his chest

    Just like the Iowa game it doesnt matter either way what we think, it is what it is. A Win this time was a loss a couple months ago

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  • Lock and Sticky!

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  • Fatarat said...

    Plenty of people disagree with you, and when that's the case replay is not supposed to overturn the call on the field. That's the standard.

    that's not the standard. The "standard" is not if plenty of people disagree with the call they should let it stand. It's up to one person, the replay official. It doesn't matter what message board people or ESPN analysts think

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  • It also is incomplete when a player leaves his feet

    My pet peave (sp) this is the number one thing every flipping announcer and person totally butchers. You can't "leave your feet" that would involve them staying planted in the ground while your body gets airborne. Your feet leave the ground or in hockey skates leave the ice. Other than that which I know you quoted so I'm not calling you out, good post.

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  • Fatarat said...

    Elbow touched down inbounds before any part of him or the ball touched the sideline. Ball was within his control the entire time. It was and is a catch. Thanks for the pic.

    No it wasn't. It is not enough that his elbow touched the ground first. He has to control the ball throughout the catch and he didn't. He didn't even have control of the ball when his elbow hit the ground (the ball was largely lodged in between his forearms, which is in fact why it hit the ground and rotated 90 degrees when it did). But thanks for your input.

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  • Fatarat said...

    I watched it thirty times last night. His elbow was under the ball and he had control of it--both it and his arm move in tandem (which is still control). I agree with the official on the field, Blackledge, and Nessler that it was a catch. In any event, there's no way that it was indisputable that the ball moved, and IMO, and in the opinion of the announcers, the call shouldn't have been reversed. Hell of a catch by that kid and the refs should have let the game be decided on the field. Oh well.

    Clearly, you should have watched it 31 times.

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  • Fatarat said...

    Plenty of people disagree with you, and when that's the case replay is not supposed to overturn the call on the field. That's the standard.

    The replay official agrees with us and he is the only person who counts.

    MrWoodson ●

  • Coale definitely had a grasp of the ball with his right hand but not his left and when he hit the ground the ball was not COMPLETELY secured. The ground cannot assist a catch either so with those two points against him I think the ruling on the field was correct. With it being overtime and a play that could win or lose the game there must be no discrepancy on the catch.

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  • ilovetombrady said...

    This should be a catch to then right?

    The funny thing is, if we used the standard that Va Tech uses for Junior in the Iowa game...we wouldn't be playing Va tech, but probably in the Rose Bowl.

    There is a number of blog posts showing that the ball hit the ground before control was established, and also questioned whether the receiver had control before going out of bounds. It was the right call, albeit a very close one.

    www.neoavatara.com/blog

    neoavatara

  • It was not a catch based on the rules. It might have been a catch at my thanksgiving family flag football game, but that's neither here nor there. The replay booth had the best shot of it, you can understand how the refs are prone to mistakes when going full speed on such a close play. Good game by VT and I felt bad for the kid, it happens.

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  • Clint Brewster said...

    Coale definitely had a grasp of the ball with his right hand but not his left and when he hit the ground the ball was not COMPLETELY secured. The ground cannot assist a catch either so with those two points against him I think the ruling on the field was correct. With it being overtime and a play that could win or lose the game there must be no discrepancy on the catch.

    It was a close call, but they got it right. And I can understand why VT fans (and people who would have liked to see Michigan lose) wish it went the other way, but the replay officials took a long time looking at it because they wanted to get it right. And they did.

    MrWoodson ●

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