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I guess the part I don't understand is why does Sparty wait till AFTER the game they lost to bring it up? You put it in the media as soon as the misdeed is identified or you don't bring it up at all.

I would love it if MSU and OSU actually started to dislike each other, so far I always got the sense that MSU is Ohio State University - East Lansing, like when they played each other it was like "yeah we have to play each other but don't we really just hate Michigan?"

Wasn't there the situation two or three years ago, where MSU needed us to beat OSU to get a share of the Big Ten title for sure or win it outright but they said they'd cheer for OSU anyway?

For the record, I don't think that Meyer is any different from the vast majority of BCS coaches in terms of adhering to the rules, so I'm not saying he's a snake or a cheater.

I don't know exactly what happened here, but if Michigan State's allegations are true, then that's pretty shady on Ohio State's part. Even if the Buckeyes corrected it immediately when MSU brought it up (as OSU would have been required to do), it still shouldn't have happened in the first place. Even if Ohio State eventually corrected it, that still really hampers MSU's ability to prepare for the game. Again, I don't think any outside parties know exactly what happened at this point because of the conflicting reports on both sides, but if the allegations are true, then I do have a problem with what Ohio State did in this situation.

how can you comply? the damage has been done. the game is over. its not like you can send them an unedited version of the tapes and have a rematch. The thing that shows me how shady they are is that the other tapes ohio sent out to the other teams they played didn't have the shifts and motions cut out. they only cut them out for msu.

I think when Tressel and Dantonio were coaching it did seem like a bit of a "family" game.....Now that Dantonio doesn't like Urban it should get a bit more heated...which I like....I couldn't stand Tressel calling off the dogs in games just to let teams back in them and we pull out a nail biter....Urban won't make any friends in the BIG, but that's not his job.

TV cameras don't cover nearly as much of the field as the actual game film does. A TV copy of a game would be nearly useless for game planning purposes.

True, Michigan State did eventually attain full access to the full film, but there was at least some sort of lag period there that hampered their preparation for the game (again, IF these allegations are true). Maybe the lag period was three hours, or maybe it was two or three days. Regardless, that would have given Ohio State at least somewhat of an advantage in preparing for the game. If this is true, I do think Michigan State had every right to report it, and that it's not just something to sweep under the rug.

I completely agree Todd. I would have a problem with that too but we obviously don't have the full story and I have to say I find it highly unlikely that Urban himself is involved in the creation of these videos.. I mean it's possible but I wouldn't go creating conspiracy threads about it, just makes people look like blind fanatics which isn't what I've experienced UM fans to be until the season (and unsatisfying results) got underway

None on the football program? I remember a certain Gene Smith, Archie Griffin taped recruiting pitch played for one of your running back recruits, Ezekiel?.

That is a violation, and I believe running backs play football?

You don't want it to be a distraction before the game. I'm sure the result of the game had some coaches pissed off so it probably came out in a way it shouldn't have. I'm guessing win or lose it would have come out after the game though as well it should if true.

I'm pretty sure I never said there were none. In fact my post, if you read it, specifically mentions there were violations. The point of the thread is how dirty Meyer is. I even mention his violation at OSU. If you would like to continue that conversation I'd be interested but from your comments, I don't get it. Are you trolling me on your own board?

THIS would be a bad one if it's true, as bad as overpracticing from a sportsmanship perspective but certainly not equal in the NCAA realm with their pretend focus on students (but there are a number of variables that are just flat out unknown, can anyone refer me to the rules section of the BIG that mandates sending video?, 11w's seems to question it).

The AD is a bad one too and I dont know how Gene smith doesn't know better but it's the only one of those "46" that is noteworthy. Tresselgate was obviously terrible (but in the spirit of Civil Disobedience I blame tressel for lying, not the students who sold their own property like any other person would be allowed to do)

As for my "excuses," sorry if i was providing context to someone who thought Meyer personally committed 42 secondary violations when he got on campus, when in fact he was responsible for one. The rivalry is very serious to me, but I can't respect it if I can't take the fanbase seriously