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TheBlitzIsOn said...
Oh, ok.
And xxmgobluexx, I answered this in another thread but I'll sum it up here. I see what you are saying but ANY fanbase would be excited about a top 50 national prospect. When it comes to stars, no one can honestly tell the difference between the #40 DT and the #55 DT or the #400 player overall. They just all get pushed together after a certain point but a top 50 overall (or close to it) is a true standout. Those are the differencemakers that any fanbase would be ecstatic to get.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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Seriously? Kugler was on his way to commit to MSU? This is honestly the first time I have EVER heard that - and I subscribe to three different MSU sites. No MSU writer ever mentioned anything close to that. I never even read MSU led for him.
Pittman was never secure in his commitment. I don't think you'll find a single MSU fan that was comfortable there. He wanted OSU and he eventually chose them. We lost.
Mario O and Funchess were VERY lightly recruited by MSU. Simply put - they are very average recruits. Saying they grew up as MSU fans is sort of true - and sort of untrue. There's a reason MSU hadn't offered them when UM jumped in - they are average recruits. Funchess readily admitted that he barely ever spoke with MSU coaches - and Mario O said the same thing. MSU simply wasn't recruiting them. There was one elite 2012 kid from FHH and he is now on MSU's roster.
And finally, what's your point? haha That MSU has lost recruiting battles? They've also won some. They will continue to win more, especially if they keep winning on the field.
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Seriously? Kugler was on his way to commit to MSU? This is honestly the first time I have EVER heard that - and I subscribe to three different MSU sites. No MSU writer ever mentioned anything close to that. I never even read MSU led for him.
Pittman was never secure in his commitment. I don't think you'll find a single MSU fan that was comfortable there. He wanted OSU and he eventually chose them. We lost.
Mario O and Funchess were VERY lightly recruited by MSU. Simply put - they are very average recruits. Saying they grew up as MSU fans is sort of true - and sort of untrue. There's a reason MSU hadn't offered them when UM jumped in - they are average recruits. Funchess readily admitted that he barely ever spoke with MSU coaches - and Mario O said the same thing. MSU simply wasn't recruiting them. There was one elite 2012 kid from FHH and he is now on MSU's roster.
And finally, what's your point? haha That MSU has lost recruiting battles? They've also won some. They will continue to win more, especially if they keep winning on the field.
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zombieonidas said...
Seriously? Kugler was on his way to commit to MSU? This is honestly the first time I have EVER heard that - and I subscribe to three different MSU sites. No MSU writer ever mentioned anything close to that. I never even read MSU led for him.
Pittman was never secure in his commitment. I don't think you'll find a single MSU fan that was comfortable there. He wanted OSU and he eventually chose them. We lost.
Mario O and Funchess were VERY lightly recruited by MSU. Simply put - they are very average recruits. Saying they grew up as MSU fans is sort of true - and sort of untrue. There's a reason MSU hadn't offered them when UM jumped in - they are average recruits. Funchess readily admitted that he barely ever spoke with MSU coaches - and Mario O said the same thing. MSU simply wasn't recruiting them. There was one elite 2012 kid from FHH and he is now on MSU's roster.
And finally, what's your point? haha That MSU has lost recruiting battles? They've also won some. They will continue to win more, especially if they keep winning on the field.
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Big M said...
You are really going a bit overboard with the revisionist history.
Before Kugler visited and committed to Michigan, MSU fans on the RCMB were very optimistic on Kugler and many were speculating he could commit at MSU's junior day.
Same with Pittman- a ton of MSU people thought he would stick, even when he was making comments right after he committed making it clear he was wobbly.
And I would love to see what article states that about Ojemudia and Funchess. Sounds like completely bull to me. They were both offered by MSU in the spring.
Funchess and Ojemudia would have comfortably been in the top 1/3rd of MSU's class last year, and again, before Ojemudia started leaning to Michigan MSU fans were supremely confident he would be a Spartan.
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well, as I've seen them play a few times and have family on FHH coaching staff, I'll stick with my opinion over Scout.com's. I don't care what either are rated. Mario O is a GREAT - not good but GREAT - high school player. Funchess can also dominate high school football games.
That said, both are physically atypical from a major college perspective. They don't fit the usual mold. I'm not discounting the idea that either could wind up being good college players (especially Mario) but it is far from a given. Mario is and will always be small for his position - I don't see any way he can be an every down player. But he has some real skill. It will be interesting to see if he can make an impact.
Funchess isn't the kind of WR great college teams have - and he has a long way to go to add the weight that a prostyle TE needs. He REALLY doesn't fit the mold of MSU TEs (Dantonio offers 6'4 -6'5' 240 - 250 high school OTs basically).
I'm not knocking either kid but I don't believe that either would land a UM offer in a normal year.
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well, as I've seen them play a few times and have family on FHH coaching staff, I'll stick with my opinion over Scout.com's. I don't care what either are rated. Mario O is a GREAT - not good but GREAT - high school player. Funchess can also dominate high school football games.
That said, both are physically atypical from a major college perspective. They don't fit the usual mold. I'm not discounting the idea that either could wind up being good college players (especially Mario) but it is far from a given. Mario is and will always be small for his position - I don't see any way he can be an every down player. But he has some real skill. It will be interesting to see if he can make an impact.
Funchess isn't the kind of WR great college teams have - and he has a long way to go to add the weight that a prostyle TE needs. He REALLY doesn't fit the mold of MSU TEs (Dantonio offers 6'4 -6'5' 240 - 250 high school OTs basically).
I'm not knocking either kid but I don't believe that either would land a UM offer in a normal year.
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UM badly needed depth - and a roster overhaul. Hoke needed bodies - in bunches. In a normal year, with a deep and talented roster, I don't think either kid gets a UM offer. Mario O is the kind of kid that MSU traditionally takes a flyer on after missing out on other prospects. He's not your typical UM DE.
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zombieonidas said...
well, as I've seen them play a few times and have family on FHH coaching staff, I'll stick with my opinion over Scout.com's. I don't care what either are rated. Mario O is a GREAT - not good but GREAT - high school player. Funchess can also dominate high school football games.
That said, both are physically atypical from a major college perspective. They don't fit the usual mold. I'm not discounting the idea that either could wind up being good college players (especially Mario) but it is far from a given. Mario is and will always be small for his position - I don't see any way he can be an every down player. But he has some real skill. It will be interesting to see if he can make an impact.
Funchess isn't the kind of WR great college teams have - and he has a long way to go to add the weight that a prostyle TE needs. He REALLY doesn't fit the mold of MSU TEs (Dantonio offers 6'4 -6'5' 240 - 250 high school OTs basically).
I'm not knocking either kid but I don't believe that either would land a UM offer in a normal year.
A normal Michigan year? Michigan had a top 10 class last year. They were in on elite talent. This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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UM badly needed depth - and a roster overhaul. Hoke needed bodies - in bunches. In a normal year, with a deep and talented roster, I don't think either kid gets a UM offer. Mario O is the kind of kid that MSU traditionally takes a flyer on after missing out on other prospects. He's not your typical UM DE.
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UM badly needed depth - and a roster overhaul. Hoke needed bodies - in bunches. In a normal year, with a deep and talented roster, I don't think either kid gets a UM offer. Mario O is the kind of kid that MSU traditionally takes a flyer on after missing out on other prospects. He's not your typical UM DE.
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UMRSB said...
Why argue with MSU slappys? They are becoming irrelevant again, as the recruiting classes are starting to show. Waste of time and effort. They will still snag 1 or 2 great recruits per year, but the dynasty they all dream about is not in the cards - IMVHO.
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ok - I guess we will see in four years if Mario and Funchess are tearing up the Big Ten or UM recruits over them. Your opinions and my opinions mean nothing. The field is the only truth. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
As to offers, there are different kinds of offers - as UM fans point out every time a kid with a UM offer commits to MSU :).
When it comes to recruiting there's the UM perspective, there's the MSU perspective, and there is the truth. Those are three very different things haha
It was normal for UM to fire a coach, have a new coach come in, taking over a roster that wasn't recruited to run his style of play? That's what I mean by "normal". The roster lacks depth. Why do you think UM keeps taking these large classes?
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ok - I guess we will see in four years if Mario and Funchess are tearing up the Big Ten or UM recruits over them. Your opinions and my opinions mean nothing. The field is the only truth. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
As to offers, there are different kinds of offers - as UM fans point out every time a kid with a UM offer commits to MSU :).
When it comes to recruiting there's the UM perspective, there's the MSU perspective, and there is the truth. Those are three very different things haha
It was normal for UM to fire a coach, have a new coach come in, taking over a roster that wasn't recruited to run his style of play? That's what I mean by "normal". The roster lacks depth. Why do you think UM keeps taking these large classes?
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