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I enjoy reading the things happening with our biggest rival. I understand many will always have a negative slant on Coach Tressel. Like many I have major issues with the way he conducted himself at the end of his time. I don't think he was/is a bad person or was "unethical" for ten years. I think the NCAA and Sports Illustrated dug deep and hard after the National Championship and found nothing they could pin on the program as a "major violation".

I do believe Tressel sold his sole to the devil for Pryor. Lost control. It happens to good people sometimes when they get to greedy. The bowl ban is deserved, the punishment fits the crime. However, I can separate what the program did in 02 from the things Tressel did in the last yr(s) of the program.

I've read some reports recently that say Tress has lost weight, looks healthy, is less stressed, and happy. Those things make me believe even more that Tressel sold out. And it was not the person he is, but allowed expectations to overtake his values. Just my 2 pennies. Good luck in your Bowl.

We get it. Tress lied to the NCAA. That is bad and he got what he deserved.

That said, he has done amazing philanthropic work in the community. He has been adored by almost all him players for the way he mentored them. He did great work encouraging athletes in the classroom. And he led the program into an unparalleled ten years. His ending was shameful, his body of work was praiseworthy.Just a little actual rationale for those of you who can't seem to see the forest through the trees.

When you say SEC team you mean Alabama don't you. I watched the Bama - Michigan gamem and you guys had a healthy backfield then, you guys loked awesome against Bama, now that was embarrassment my friend. As far as nobody cares that THE OHIO STATE went 12-0 I think you may find a few people that were happy. Oh by the way, I just sent Hoke a check for $1000.00 to buy a headset for the games and a box of twinkies.

Who says ap is more prestigious? Coaches poll is actually still used in the bcs. AP is what Ohio state could have won this year.

My point in 1997 is that Michigan didn't beat the best team in the country that year. They didn't even play them. Nebraska was widely considered the best team and got hosed by having to share with a Michigan team that didn't beat anyone.

You compare him to Joe Paterno and then say you aren't comparing them. It's disingenuous. Clearly they are different situations as this is seen by most as a "victimless crime". Sure, you can say this team is the victim but all those that are on the team now that played for him have consistently backed him, so I'll let them decide on that part.

As far as the game, the honor was specifically for the 02 NC team. Not for Tress himself. The players of that team decided to hoist him up but the stadium was already giving a standing ovation. It was the ten year anniversary so it made sense time wise. It's not like they went out of their way to get him in here this year. But he deserves to be honored for that accomplishment just like all those players did.

I never said I wasn't comparing them...

In 10 years Ohio State will be celebrating Meyer's undefeated 2012 Buckeyes. I wonder if UM will be doing the same with their 2012 that had an 8-4 record, a second place divisional finish, and a second tier bowl game

Wow nice comeback guy..

I never realized that the capital one or outback are second tier bowl games? Besides the bcs bowls, the capital one is the best bowl game out there and outback the 3rd best imo. Second tier is more like the motor city bowl I would think. Just like the MAC is a second tier conference to the Big Ten. Enjoy your 12-0 record but realize it doesn't hold much weight considering Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Texas a&m, Florida, and South Carolina would beat you silly. Before your BP raises I think we would loose as well. I will enjoy the practices we get from the bowl, the help with recruiting, and being able to watch my team in another game. Enjoy your 12-0 season that should have ended as soon as Cal if the refs didnt make the holding call on the cal TE which brought back a touchdown, and was your biggest non conference game FYI they are 3-9. If you guys are not 11-0 coming into the game next year Urb should be on the hot seat, what a joke of a schedule.

Admittedly, our schedule was soft this year; however, I'd take a soft 12-0 than 8-4 with a couple of ugly losses (14-41 vs. Alabama, no touchdown vs. ND) sprinkled in. Say what you like but we beat Nebraska and we beat you, so if we're soft what does that say about you?

Their schedule next year isn't much better. I'd be shocked if they lost more than one game next year going into The Game.

Never said you were soft and I would take a 12-0 as well. My point is you guys need to come back down from Lucy and those diamonds and realize this team of yours got lucky on many occasions and is a good but no where close to being great team. I get it you beat us... As you should. This Michigan team has been dealing with attrition for 5 years thanks to RR. You guys have more talent and athletes across the board along with better depth. Our starting QB couldn't throw and our running back is on crutches along with our best cover man. You beat us by 5 at your place. You guys got the win, you deserve to brag for the next year, the spoils of war! But any of you who think hoke and company are bad coaches and this will be the same when Carr was on his way out and RR didn't know the significance of the game you got another thing commin. I don't give a crap about Tressel and the thread topic, he's a scumbag and everyone knows it. He's been cheatin way before ever coming to OSU. You guys got what you deserved, if you guys still wanna get on your hands and knees and take it from him that's your problem.