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Nutcracker said...
Like I said, your fly's still open.
No, this season won't be vacated. But if you had the least amount of self recognition, you wouldn't be screaming 'undefeated!' at the top of your lungs because, I repeat, there's just no guarantee you win a bowl game if you played in one. Are you disputing this? You were undefeated in the games you played. So I guess you could say you're undefeated in the technical sense. But your season is cut short because of the transgressions of your program. It's not like the season was shortened by a lockout or force of nature. That little asterisk that you conveniently try ignore, it's that you failed to achieve an undefeated season in the sense that everybody accepts.
The Miami Dolphins had a perfect '72 season. They played two less games than they do now, but does that take anything away from their season? No! Perfect is perfect. It's not their fault they didn't play 16 regular season games. Osu in 2012? Not perfect.
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blue2468 said...
Oh, I'm sorry, and what bowl game are you guys going to that is better than the "Left-Out Bowl"?
I'll wait.
You know who is also going to go to a better bowl than Ohio State? Purdue and most likely Iowa State and Duke as well.
This post was edited by TimBucktoo on 11/26/2012 at 12:49 AM
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UMSkeletor said...
Obviously there's also a way of looking at it that gives Tressel a lot of the benefit of the doubt, but then why would he be so trusting after the Clarett situation (and other "problem kids")? I mean it's not like it would be news to a coach that a lot of those guys have bad judgment, come from backgrounds where crime is a pretty common fact of life and that there's plenty of opportunities in Columbus to get in trouble.
Imagine this happens at USC, some kids getting caught up with a bad element down in L.A., partying with the wrong types, getting in bed with the wrong kind of people, making a few shady deals. USC coaches are told about it, but say they know nothing. Nobody on your forums would give them the benefit of the doubt, nobody did about the Reggie Bush stuff. But every fanbase always makes an exception for their own guys, it's not like I'm shocked about the fans. I find it more interesting that OSU as an institution put up that "hero's welcome" for Tress given that a public university usually at least tries to appear as if they look at things from a more distanced perspective.
This post was edited by TimBucktoo on 11/26/2012 at 12:51 AM
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Buckeye Warrior said...
Serious question and NOT a flame. Just how long are we supposed to be mad at Tressel? He lied. He broke no real Laws, no one got hurt, no one was accused of breaking real Laws. Have you never told a lie? We have all told lies. If we are going to scorn Tressel for telling a lie, then should everyone be held to that same standard?
The guy did a lot of good in our community. He was a great football coach and a great man. Yes, he has flaws. He lied so that just tells me he is not perfect. Are you perfect?
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InTresslWeTrust said...
Let's say you're in charge of a big business, you have an attorney approach you saying there is a federal investigation involving two of your employees. Are you going to run around blowing whistles bringing it to everyone's attention and risk a felony by blowing a federal investigation or are you going to keep quiet until it is over?
Granted no one knows if he would have reported it once the investigation ended, he was never given the oppurtunity. All he had to do was consult with an attorney and his action or inaction would have been OK. That was his biggest mistake with the issue.
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DaytonBuckeye said...
You are assuming he TRIED to cover it up. Let me postulate another scenario and btw, we will never know what really happened.
Now suppose he got the email... He calls Pryor and the other player in and asks them about it. They tell him no coach we are not doing anything with that guy. Been there a few times but... Tress tells them to stay away, the dude is bad.... Remember, this all occurs in April. They tell him sure coach done deal. Tress figures he has handled it and thinks no more about it. Comes August he signs the NCAA paper work saying he knows of no violations.. (Remember the players said they did nothing wrong).. Off we go...mean while the FBI is still investigating this guy and uncovers the memorabilia... Then the story brakes in Nov....
Not saying it happened this way, but very plausible... I believe that is why Tress said he could of handled it better... Maybe pursued it and checked up to make sure these guys were telling the truth...
You will never convince me that with malious of forethought Tress decided to outright lie to the NCAA.
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Awink2 said...
look up the word disassociation, and then get back to me. Michigan disassociated itself from a much less severe situation (there was no cover up by a head coach), for a much longer time, then Ohio did this past weekend with much more severe violations and a shorter duration in time. Way to set the standard. Also people, stop talking about the game and who won or loss. Put those 6 pages of dirt in a different thread.
This post was edited by TimBucktoo on 11/26/2012 at 7:25 AM
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Ha, I will, thanks for the advice. My advice to you is, I don't know, well there isn't much you can actually do. Maybe take some logic classes?



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The ethical difference between Michigan and Ohio