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The ethical difference between Michigan and Ohio

  • MrWoodson said...

    Where did all the Ohio rednecks come from?

    careful, you're insulting half your team.

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  • TRUxBLUxFAN said...

    Free tattoo's? really is that all you think it was? What about the new cars TP drove and his mother on welfare? Marice Clarett told the truth many years ago about free cars and such but no one would listen Tressel was dirty for years

    Are you really that gullible or what? Everything else was shown to be complete BS...much to the chagrin of a "wanting" bastards like your fan base! LOL! Do you forget the "Fraud 5" that quickly? Obviously! Your school's sh!+ DOES, in fact, stink. The tat issue was complete BS....so was everything else. OSU will continue to smoke you fools like cheap cigars for the foreseeable future!
    Arrogance does not make a great program. That is evident by scUM's 1/2 NC in the last 64 years!

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    So... what you're saying is, all those things UM did was okay? Just want to make sure we hear you clearly. At least we admit Tressel made a mistake.

    "Fraud 5?" Who are they?

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  • This is what a classy response is suppose to look like!

    GoBlueOSM said...

    This whole argument is pretty stupid on both sides. Michigan lost, it sucks as every fan would have liked to have won. Our chances at winning a B1G title were decimated when Nebraska beat Iowa. No matter who won or lost Michigan is probably still in Capital One Bowl. Nice season by Ohio and congrats to you guys. I can care less what Tressell did to earn post season ban and think think NCAA rules are pretty stupid that he broke. I think he should be celebrated for his on-field accomplishments. Look forward to next year with a different outcome in Ann Arbor

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    careful, you're insulting half your team.

    You just jumped to the conclusion that all people from Ohio are rednecks. Very interesting.

    MrWoodson

  • Lots of historical examples of good men who make bad moral choices. Tress donated over $1million to the Youngstown St football program after he left for tOSU, plus got them a big payday game in Columbus. Tressell practically adopted a never-gonna-see-the-field walk-on who broke his neck in a practice. Bought workout machines for the kid from his own pocket. Made sure the kid had a role as long as he wanted. Tress bashers here prove their ignorance of why Buck fans generally love the guy. Tress bashers are all the f-ing POPE, nobody ever chested on wife/gf or fudged taxes. The fact this hate is being spewed on a THE GAME weekend, on the losers website? Kinda pathetic. Showcasing UM morality, I guess.

    Love2H8Blue

  • Lots of historical examples of good men who make bad moral choices. Tress donated over $1million to the Youngstown St football program after he left for tOSU, plus got them a big payday game in Columbus. Tressell practically adopted a never-gonna-see-the-field walk-on who broke his neck in a practice. Bought workout machines for the kid from his own pocket. Made sure the kid had a role as long as he wanted. Tress bashers here prove their ignorance of why Buck fans generally love the guy. Tress bashers are all the f-ing POPE, nobody ever chested on wife/gf or fudged taxes. The fact this hate is being spewed on a THE GAME weekend, on the losers website? Kinda pathetic. Showcasing UM morality, I guess.

    Love2H8Blue

  • Lots of historical examples of good men who make bad moral choices. Tress donated over $1million to the Youngstown St football program after he left for tOSU, plus got them a big payday game in Columbus. Tressell practically adopted a never-gonna-see-the-field walk-on who broke his neck in a practice. Bought workout machines for the kid from his own pocket. Made sure the kid had a role as long as he wanted. Tress bashers here prove their ignorance of why Buck fans generally love the guy. Tress bashers are all the f-ing POPE, nobody ever chested on wife/gf or fudged taxes. The fact this hate is being spewed on a THE GAME weekend, on the losers website? Kinda pathetic. Showcasing UM morality, I guess.

    Love2H8Blue

  • MrWoodson said...

    You just jumped to the conclusion that all people from Ohio are rednecks. Very interesting.

    "all the ohio rednecks" .... read again. dumb.

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  • Nutcracker said...

    Like I said, your fly's still open.

    No, this season won't be vacated. But if you had the least amount of self recognition, you wouldn't be screaming 'undefeated!' at the top of your lungs because, I repeat, there's just no guarantee you win a bowl game if you played in one. Are you disputing this? You were undefeated in the games you played. So I guess you could say you're undefeated in the technical sense. But your season is cut short because of the transgressions of your program. It's not like the season was shortened by a lockout or force of nature. That little asterisk that you conveniently try ignore, it's that you failed to achieve an undefeated season in the sense that everybody accepts.

    The Miami Dolphins had a perfect '72 season. They played two less games than they do now, but does that take anything away from their season? No! Perfect is perfect. It's not their fault they didn't play 16 regular season games. Osu in 2012? Not perfect.

    blah blah blah you lost get over it....

    bucky34

  • bucky34 said...

    blah blah blah you lost get over it....

    biggrin Ha, I will, thanks for the advice. My advice to you is, I don't know, well there isn't much you can actually do. Maybe take some logic classes?

    Nutcracker

  • blue2468 said...

    Oh, I'm sorry, and what bowl game are you guys going to that is better than the "Left-Out Bowl"?

    I'll wait.

    You know who is also going to go to a better bowl than Ohio State? Purdue and most likely Iowa State and Duke as well.

    Good for them. Aside from the extra practices bowl games provide, a non-BCS bowl is just as good as no bowl for the tOSUs, Alabamas, USCs, Oregons, and LSUs of the college football world, which is to say it's really not good at all. Of course such indifference sets in after playing in 8 BCS bowl games in 11 years, with a record of 5-3. So what tOSU faltered a few times on the Big Stage; it's only because they got there... ALOT. That is something that Purdue, Iowa State, Duke, AND ****igan cannot say.

    Too bad ****igan fans have to resort to character attacks because the Buckeyes have proved to be better on the field over the last decade. Unless one is a fan of ND or Duke, I would not be throwing stones for fear of knocking out a glass wall or three and exposing your dirt.

    This post was edited by TimBucktoo on 11/26/2012 at 12:49 AM

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  • Duplic8tor said...

    "all the ohio rednecks" .... read again. dumb.

    The point is that some of the lower, less intelligent elements of the Ohio population and Ohio State fanbase seem to have found their way over here. That doesn't mean all Ohio people are rednecks, just that there's a lot of rubes or rednecks from Ohio in this thread.

    Just as a point, I don't know how anyone can be expected to be taken seriously in a conversation using childish accronyms and so forth, while generally acting like a meathead who even a Bret Bielema at his most drunk would deem well below him.

    This post was edited by UMSkeletor on 11/26/2012 at 12:36 AM

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  • UMSkeletor said...

    Obviously there's also a way of looking at it that gives Tressel a lot of the benefit of the doubt, but then why would he be so trusting after the Clarett situation (and other "problem kids")? I mean it's not like it would be news to a coach that a lot of those guys have bad judgment, come from backgrounds where crime is a pretty common fact of life and that there's plenty of opportunities in Columbus to get in trouble.

    Imagine this happens at USC, some kids getting caught up with a bad element down in L.A., partying with the wrong types, getting in bed with the wrong kind of people, making a few shady deals. USC coaches are told about it, but say they know nothing. Nobody on your forums would give them the benefit of the doubt, nobody did about the Reggie Bush stuff. But every fanbase always makes an exception for their own guys, it's not like I'm shocked about the fans. I find it more interesting that OSU as an institution put up that "hero's welcome" for Tress given that a public university usually at least tries to appear as if they look at things from a more distanced perspective.

    Please share with us how "[t]OSU as an institution put up that 'hero's welcome' for Tress"? The 2002 National Championship TEAM was honored on the field. The PA announcer or anybody else for that matter did nothing to acknowledge Tressel above that team. It was the players from that team who hoisted THEIR FORMER COACH onto their shoulders and the fans who chanted Tressel's name.

    Nice try attempting to besmirch the entire institution. Btw, I noticed ****igan did not remove the Big Ten and NCAA banners from the Fab Five years except under threat from the NCAA years after the transgressions. So much for honor and integrity.

    This post was edited by TimBucktoo on 11/26/2012 at 12:51 AM

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  • Hmmm, interesting....

    http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-basketball/michigan-unsure-if-fab-five-banners-can-actually-be-replaced-not-opposed-to-alternate-means-of-celeb/

    TimBucktoo

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    Serious question and NOT a flame. Just how long are we supposed to be mad at Tressel? He lied. He broke no real Laws, no one got hurt, no one was accused of breaking real Laws. Have you never told a lie? We have all told lies. If we are going to scorn Tressel for telling a lie, then should everyone be held to that same standard?

    The guy did a lot of good in our community. He was a great football coach and a great man. Yes, he has flaws. He lied so that just tells me he is not perfect. Are you perfect?

    Its not about being mad at him, you can like him or feel the way you do. Its about the embodiment of a program, and the image you want to represent and portray. To celebrate someone so shortly removed for serious violations is questionable judgement, the same kind of questionable judgement Tressel exhibited.

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  • HotSauce said...

    1997 is a long time ago when you won the lesser 1/2 of a national Title and never played the best team in the country (Nebraska).

    Actually, the AP natty we won in '97 is more prestigious then the coaches poll

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  • InTresslWeTrust said...

    Let's say you're in charge of a big business, you have an attorney approach you saying there is a federal investigation involving two of your employees. Are you going to run around blowing whistles bringing it to everyone's attention and risk a felony by blowing a federal investigation or are you going to keep quiet until it is over?

    Granted no one knows if he would have reported it once the investigation ended, he was never given the oppurtunity. All he had to do was consult with an attorney and his action or inaction would have been OK. That was his biggest mistake with the issue.

    Except (correct me if I'm wrong), this situation had nothing to do with someone from the Ohio football program being investigated by the FBI. The FBI found out that football players were selling memorabilia, which Tressel subsequently found out about. When asked by the NCAA if he was playing anybody who was ineligible, he repeatedly said no. And of course Tressel would not have reported it once the investigation ended. He knew about this after the investigation, and before the NCAA found out he knew about this for the entire football season without notifying them. The NCAA found out on their own investigation that Tressel was not divulging information about improprieties and NCAA record violations, and he tried to cover up that he knowingly was playing ineligible players.

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  • NoSoupForYou said...

    And Michigan is still 8-4....still lost to Ohio St...and is still a 2nd tier team in a weak B1G.
    But at least the Ohio St faithful cheering a former coach makes you feel better about all that.

    actually cheering a cheat makes me feel worse about it, because through much introspection, many things are more important then football.

    This post was edited by Awink2 on 11/26/2012 at 3:30 AM

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  • AngryChair91 said...

    Keep crying I love your anger son. Lol

    Bottom line Michigan will always be tied to the Fab 5 and that's the point.

    Your program is not clean so get over it.

    Keep crying though I love it. Haha

    This comment is the rationale on why this thread was created. Michigan distanced themselves from these improprieties, especially immediately after the investigation was concluded. They did not parade anybody involved (to my knowledge) following any probation or sanctions. These two violations arent even tantamount, as one involved few players, while the other involved numerous players, but more importantly a complicit head coach.

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  • siksikaua said...

    is like Salvadore Dali with diarrhea.

    Amazing analogy clap.

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  • DaytonBuckeye said...

    You are assuming he TRIED to cover it up. Let me postulate another scenario and btw, we will never know what really happened.

    Now suppose he got the email... He calls Pryor and the other player in and asks them about it. They tell him no coach we are not doing anything with that guy. Been there a few times but... Tress tells them to stay away, the dude is bad.... Remember, this all occurs in April. They tell him sure coach done deal. Tress figures he has handled it and thinks no more about it. Comes August he signs the NCAA paper work saying he knows of no violations.. (Remember the players said they did nothing wrong).. Off we go...mean while the FBI is still investigating this guy and uncovers the memorabilia... Then the story brakes in Nov....

    Not saying it happened this way, but very plausible... I believe that is why Tress said he could of handled it better... Maybe pursued it and checked up to make sure these guys were telling the truth...

    You will never convince me that with malious of forethought Tress decided to outright lie to the NCAA.

    Does your scenario factor in what "Tress" was told about what the FBI investigation revealed before he spoke with said players? If so, I think information from an FBI investigation would be more credible then speaking with said players....and then you take the players word anyways.

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  • TimBucktoo said...

    Hmmm, interesting....

    http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-basketball/michigan-unsure-if-fab-five-banners-can-actually-be-replaced-not-opposed-to-alternate-means-of-celeb/

    look up the word disassociation, and then get back to me. Michigan disassociated itself from a much less severe situation (there was no cover up by a head coach), for a much longer time, then Ohio did this past weekend with much more severe violations and a shorter duration in time. Way to set the standard. Also people, stop talking about the game and who won or loss. Put those 6 pages of dirt in a different thread.

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  • TRUxBLUxFAN said...

    Free tattoo's? really is that all you think it was? What about the new cars TP drove and his mother on welfare? Marice Clarett told the truth many years ago about free cars and such but no one would listen Tressel was dirty for years

    dont want to drone this on but if you have some evidence that the FBI couldn't produce you should present it, otherwise you're making slanderous remarks.

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  • Awink2 said...

    look up the word disassociation, and then get back to me. Michigan disassociated itself from a much less severe situation (there was no cover up by a head coach), for a much longer time, then Ohio did this past weekend with much more severe violations and a shorter duration in time. Way to set the standard. Also people, stop talking about the game and who won or loss. Put those 6 pages of dirt in a different thread.

    I imagine had ****igan miraculously won the game (it no longer deserves capitalization stepchildren) this post would not exist and in its place would be a bunch of gloating and chest puffery.

    Anyhoo, I am very familiar with what "disassociation" means; however, that is not my point. My question to you is did Michigan disassociate itself willingly to uphold some higher standard, or was it simply a proactive move to mitigate inevitable NCAA penalties? You can minimize ****igan' infractions (in your mind) all you'd like, but Martin paid significant sums of money to the Fab Five, and later Robert "Tractor" Traylor, over multiple years and gave them fairly expensive vehicles. True, Fisher was never implicated in the pay-to-play, but he was the most clueless person in Ann Arbor if he did not know what was going.

    I can be honest and admit Tressel cheated. As such, it is excruciating to witness you tortuously manipulate facts to make ****igan look cleaner (in your mind) than the Alabamas, Kentuckys, USCs, tOSUs, and other powerhouse programs in college sports.

    BTW, so much for integrity: http://jalenrose.com/press/members-of-michigans-fab-five-honored-at-crisler-arena-november-21-2010

    So what it was 15 years after the violations. Pete Rose is still banned from baseball and it has been much longer. Just another irrelevant fact that you'll hold up to make ****igan appear holier than thou. Wrong is wrong, right?

    This post was edited by TimBucktoo on 11/26/2012 at 7:25 AM

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