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Peterklima said...
I think MSU has the historic advantage since they have 2 NCs and a lot of B10 championships. But, right now, I think the CURRENT PROGRAMS (more than just the current teams and less than historical) are now on equal footing. Consider the facts over the last 3 years (a long time considering turnover in CBB):
1. Head to head - the home team wins (UM even has a 4-2 advantage over the last 3 years. It is equal at 4-4 over the last 4 years).
2. Both shared the B10 title last year and expect to finish similarly this year.
3. UM is pulling in talent that roughly equals MSU.
Now, the big concern when making a comparison like this is that your prediction is premature or inaccurate because of some other temporary reason. (Maybe it was just Kalin Lucas? Maybe it was Darius Morris? Or, maybe Draymond Green? Burke?) So, this might be the biggest factor in being able to say UM has closed the gap and the current programs are on equal footing:
4. This has all come while MSU is in the midst of its program-defining term under Tom Izzo. Izzo is still the head coach and MSU is still in the top 10 in the polls. This is not MSU falling on itself. Moreover, Izzo HATES UM and he is their legendary coach. MSU is not likely to take over control of the rivalry with someone else in the future. This is it.
Has Izzo doe more over the last couple decades? Sure. Is he doing more now? Nope.
Personally, I consider the GAP closed. Michigan will be on pace with MSU for years to come. (Now being neck and neck may not allow UM to make up for lost years when MSU did well, but UM doesn't have to do that to be an equal going forward).
P.S. - MSU fans last bastion is that MSU has done better in the NCAA tourney. Well, these three years don't show much difference. While this year's tourney has yet to take place, over the last two years, combined, MSU has gone ONE game further in the NCAA tourney (i.e., they have played one more game). If UM lasts one game longer than MSU in this year's tourney, then over the last 3 years, the NCAA tourney results will be the same or better for UM.
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Peterklima said...
Please allow myself to.... bump myself.
The P.S. hold true. We have pulled even with MSU (although historically, they still out pace us a bit for now) during their Izzo years. And, the future looks bright.
We have some great players coming into the program, sparty has...
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Peterklima said...
Please allow myself to.... bump myself.
The P.S. hold true. We have pulled even with MSU (although historically, they still out pace us a bit for now) during their Izzo years. And, the future looks bright.
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Wendel Clark said...
Disagree, I say we are about even historically, while, depending on who leaves on our team, their program may be in slightly better shape currently. Sparty really needs to pick up some players in the 2014 recruiting class to even hope to stay ahead though.
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Peterklima said...
So it seems historically its not that different... and they are at least even now.
This does not bode well for them.
My MSU relatives are acting a lot less confident today at the Easter dinner.....for good reason.
I posted about all the MSU relatives that would be at Easter today in another thread. Amazing how disinterested they were in March basketball today.
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Let's recap the last few months from a Sparty perspective:
November
Your team sucks.
Burke is the only player who might possibly start for MSU.
Beilein is a mediocre coach at best
December
nice cupcake OOC schedule.
You're gonna suck next year when Burke and Hardaway leave.
McGary is old.
You haven't beaten a top 20 team
January:
Much easier schedule than msu
Michigan's in the bonus already?
Refs suck. Delaney wants UM to win.
You haven't beat a top 10 team."
February:
#1 rank in February = September Heisman.
We're still the dominant team in the state. Izzo.
Michigan peaked too soon. 6-6 in last 12 regular season games.
March
Prepare for another early tournament departure.
Tommy Amaker > John Beilein.
SDSU is gonna beat you in the first round.
VCU is gonna run you off the court.
Beilein needs a Morgan-n-McGary lineup to beat Kansas.
Florida is too athletic.
Next year we're primed for a championship run.That about sum it up?
MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13
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Due51 said...
Let's recap the last few months from a Sparty perspective:
November
Your team sucks.
Burke is the only player who might possibly start for MSU.
Beilein is a mediocre coach at best
December
nice cupcake OOC schedule.
You're gonna suck next year when Burke and Hardaway leave.
McGary is old.
You haven't beaten a top 20 team
January:
Much easier schedule than msu
Michigan's in the bonus already?
Refs suck. Delaney wants UM to win.
You haven't beat a top 10 team."
February:
#1 rank in February = September Heisman.
We're still the dominant team in the state. Izzo.
Michigan peaked too soon. 6-6 in last 12 regular season games.
March
Prepare for another early tournament departure.
Tommy Amaker > John Beilein.
SDSU is gonna beat you in the first round.
VCU is gonna run you off the court.
Beilein needs a Morgan-n-McGary lineup to beat Kansas.
Florida is too athletic.
Next year we're primed for a championship run.That about sum it up?
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Due51 said...
Let's recap the last few months from a Sparty perspective: November Your team sucks. Burke is the only player who might possibly start for MSU. Beilein is a mediocre coach at best December nice cupcake OOC schedule. You're gonna suck next year when Burke and Hardaway leave. McGary is old. You haven't beaten a top 20 team January: Much easier schedule than msu Michigan's in the bonus already?
Refs suck. Delaney wants UM to win. You haven't beat a top 10 team." February: #1 rank in February = September Heisman. We're still the dominant team in the state. Izzo. Michigan peaked too soon. 6-6 in last 12 regular season games. March Prepare for another early tournament departure. Tommy Amaker > John Beilein. SDSU is gonna beat you in the first round. VCU is gonna run you off the court. Beilein needs a Morgan-n-McGary lineup to beat Kansas. Florida is too athletic. Next year we're primed for a championship run.
That about sum it up?
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Due51 said...
Let's recap the last few months from a Sparty perspective:
November
Your team sucks.
Burke is the only player who might possibly start for MSU.
Beilein is a mediocre coach at best
December
nice cupcake OOC schedule.
You're gonna suck next year when Burke and Hardaway leave.
McGary is old.
You haven't beaten a top 20 team
January:
Much easier schedule than msu
Michigan's in the bonus already?
Refs suck. Delaney wants UM to win.
You haven't beat a top 10 team."
February:
#1 rank in February = September Heisman.
We're still the dominant team in the state. Izzo.
Michigan peaked too soon. 6-6 in last 12 regular season games.
March
Prepare for another early tournament departure.
Tommy Amaker > John Beilein.
SDSU is gonna beat you in the first round.
VCU is gonna run you off the court.
Beilein needs a Morgan-n-McGary lineup to beat Kansas.
Florida is too athletic.
Next year we're primed for a championship run.That about sum it up?
“Those who stay will be champions” ― Bo Schembechler
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