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The Gap is Closed - MSU and UM are on an equal level in BB.

  • MSchott said...

    If it makes you feel better to think so then fine. We shall see.

    Offer me a well-reasoned fact to think otherwise. I am open to listen.

    Peterklima ●

  • # of NCs by School

    UCLA (11)
    Kentucky (8)
    Indiana (5)
    UNC (5)
    Duke (4)
    Connecticut (3)
    Kansas (3)

    Schools with 2 NCs: Cincinnati, Florida, Louisville, Michigan State, North Carolina State, Oklahoma A&M, San Francisco

    Schools with 1 NC: Arizona, Arkansas, California, CCNY, Georgetown, Holy Cross,, LaSalle, Loyola (Chicago), Marquette, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Stanford, Syracuse, Texas Western, UNLV, Utah, Villanova, Wisconsin, Wyoming

    Note: B10 schools shown in bold.

    This post has been edited 6 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 3/5/2013 at 9:39 AM

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  • MSchott said...

    Reputation means nothing. What happens on the field is what is important. I'm a Spartan and I agree that UM has a great football reputation. That does not mean the program on the field at this point in time lives up to that reputation. IMO all talk about history is just to make people feel good about their sports programs when there is nothing else to talk about.

    I'm sorry, but LOL WUT?'

    You just said....
    All that matters is what happens on the court and currently UCLA isn't remotely in the same class as MSU. Indiana got back to this level this year. Ask anyone who really knows the game and MSU's reputation is as one of the very best, just below UNC and Duke.

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

  • MSchott said...

    Currently yes. I agree and have not said otherwise. You are the one postulating on the future.

    Says the guy that claims "Harris will likely be one of the best in the country next year"

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

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  • MSchott said...

    All that matters is what happens on the court and currently UCLA isn't remotely in the same class as MSU. Indiana got back to this level this year. Ask anyone who really knows the game and MSU's reputation is as one of the very best, just below UNC and Duke. By the way MSU beat Kansas this year at Kansas.

    All that matter is right now? Well hell, Michigan, Indiana, Gonzaga, Duke, Louisville, Miami Fl... are all better programs than MSU right now. Don't give me any of your last 15 years crap if you are now saying what happens on the court now is what matters.

    And, for you acting like a bastion of cbb knowledge, MSU played Kansas in Atlanta.

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 3/5/2013 at 9:36 AM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    You played Kansas on a neutral floor (Atlanta IIRC)

    KU has a satellite campus in Atlanta. Duh

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

  • MrWoodson said...

    # of NCs by School*

    UCLA (11) Kentucky (8) Indiana (5) UNC (5) Duke (4) Connecticut (3) Kansas (3)

    Schools with 2 NCs: Cincinnati, Florida, Louisville, Michigan State, North Carolina State, Oklahoma A&M, San Francisco

    Schools with 1 NC: Arizona, Arkansas, California, CCNY, Georgetown, Holy Cross,, LaSalle, Loyola (Chicago), Marquette, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Stanford, Syracuse, Texas Western, UNLV, Utah, Villanova, Wisconsin, Wyoming

    * B10 schools shown in bold.

    Do you not understand that we are talking about what is happening currently in college BB and not in 1980 or in the 1960's? John Wooden has passed and Bob Knight has not been Indiana's coach in a very long time. My point is where these programs are in 2013 not about what happened 30-40 years ago. Currently only Duke and UNC have better records over the recent past than MSU. MSU under Izzo is undeniably an elite program.

    MSchott ●

  • Sweet discussion in this thread! fingergun

    swizbeatz ●

  • MSchott said...

    Do you not understand that we are talking about what is happening currently in college BB and not in 1980 or in the 1960's? John Wooden has passed and Bob Knight has not been Indiana's coach in a very long time. My point is where these programs are in 2013 not about what happened 30-40 years ago. Currently only Duke and UNC have better records over the recent past than MSU. MSU under Izzo is undeniably an elite program.

    So wait, does that mean Oregon, Kansas State and Stanford are elite football programs? I mean, it only makes sense if we want to throw out history, because clearly it has no bearing on the present.

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    TAMUWolverine ●

  • MSchott said...

    Do you not understand that we are talking about what is happening currently in college BB and not in 1980 or in the 1960's? John Wooden has passed and Bob Knight has not been Indiana's coach in a very long time. My point is where these programs are in 2013 not about what happened 30-40 years ago. Currently only Duke and UNC have better records over the recent past than MSU. MSU under Izzo is undeniably an elite program.

    No, I wasn't aware we were just talking about currently. Of course, that changes things a little because currently UM is ranked higher than MSU and currently UM has a better record than MSU. So if we just are talking currently, then currently UM has a better basketball program than MSU.

    MrWoodson ●

  • swizbeatz said...

    Sweet discussion in this thread! fingergun

    Yeah, it digressed quickly when MSU fans wanted to get off topic and talk about historical records, subjective reputation, etc. it's boring.

    Peterklima ●

  • MSchott said...

    Do you not understand that we are talking about what is happening currently in college BB and not in 1980 or in the 1960's? John Wooden has passed and Bob Knight has not been Indiana's coach in a very long time. My point is where these programs are in 2013 not about what happened 30-40 years ago. Currently only Duke and UNC have better records over the recent past than MSU. MSU under Izzo is undeniably an elite program.

    You seem to be talking in circles.

    Are we talking about programs or teams? Earlier you said programs are developed over time. Yet here, you say we're talking about 2013. If that's the case, the gap is closed, seeing as both teams have identical records. Hell, Michigan and MSU have identical conference records over the last 3 years.

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    Due51

  • Peterklima said...

    Yeah, it digressed quickly when MSU fans wanted to get off topic and talk about historical records, subjective reputation, etc. it's boring.

    Yea that's exactly how it happened. explode

    swizbeatz ●

  • swizbeatz said...

    Yea that's exactly how it happened. explode


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    TAMUWolverine ●

  • Due51 said...

    You seem to be talking in circles.

    Are we talking about programs or teams? Earlier you said programs are developed over time. Yet here, you say we're talking about 2013. If that's the case, the gap is closed, seeing as both teams have identical records. Hell, Michigan and MSU have identical conference records over the last 3 years.

    We are talking about recent programs. MSU is currently an elite BB program and has been for about 15 years. UM may be reaching this level.

    By the way you like to cherry pick stats. Over the last 3 years, which team has done better in the NCAA tournament (2010, 2011, 2012)? A much better barometer of program. MSU has a FF, 1st round loss and a Sweet 16, UM was not in the tournament in 2010, lost in the second round in 2011 and first round in 2012.

    MSchott ●

  • MSchott said...

    We are talking about recent programs. MSU is currently an elite BB program and has been for about 15 years. UM may be reaching this level.

    By the way you like to cherry pick stats. Over the last 3 years, which team has done better in the NCAA tournament (2010, 2011, 2012)? A much better barometer of program. MSU has a FF, 1st round loss and a Sweet 16, UM was not in the tournament in 2010, lost in the second round in 2011 and first round in 2012.

    Recent programs? When did we shift from currently to recently? And you say recently means the last three years and only considers performance in the NCAA? Well, if that is the question, then Butler is a better recent program than MSU because Butler has made two FFs in the last three years. In fact, VCU has made one so they must be an equivalent recent program to MSU. Good stuff to know.

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  • Due51 said...

    Hell, Michigan and MSU have identical conference records over the last 3 years.

    Since you are a guy that love to bring up football in basketball threads...MSU's conference record in football in the past 3 years is 17-7, and UM's is 15-9. I take it that means that MSU has surpassed UM in football?

    You are so obsessed with stacking UM up to MSU, it makes me giggle like a little school girl.

    JimmySeabass

  • JimmySeabass said...

    Since you are a guy that love to bring up football in basketball threads...MSU's conference record in football in the past 3 years is 17-7, and UM's is 15-9. I take it that means that MSU has surpassed UM in football?

    You are so obsessed with stacking UM up to MSU, it makes me giggle like a little school girl.

    Damn Due, watch it with this cat. He has 3 total post and each one is quoting you. Straight stalker there.

    Can mods verify if he has any other accounts?

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • JimmySeabass said...

    Since you are a guy that love to bring up football in basketball threads...MSU's conference record in football in the past 3 years is 17-7, and UM's is 15-9. I take it that means that MSU has surpassed UM in football?

    You are so obsessed with stacking UM up to MSU, it makes me giggle like a little school girl.

    Interesting, because I definitely can picture you giggling like a little school girl.

    MrWoodson ●

  • MSchott said...

    We are talking about recent programs. MSU is currently an elite BB program and has been for about 15 years. UM may be reaching this level.

    By the way you like to cherry pick stats. Over the last 3 years, which team has done better in the NCAA tournament (2010, 2011, 2012)? A much better barometer of program. MSU has a FF, 1st round loss and a Sweet 16, UM was not in the tournament in 2010, lost in the second round in 2011 and first round in 2012.

    I am simply taking your words and presenting another opinion. If you expect me to just agree with you, you're mistaken.

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Damn Due, watch it with this cat. He has 3 total post and each one is quoting you. Straight stalker there.

    Can mods verify if he has any other accounts?

    Smells like Pacific Coast rotting fish, if you ask me.

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

  • TAMUWolverine said...

    lol

    buttesnake ●

  • swizbeatz said...

    Sweet discussion in this thread! fingergun

    Get an avatar.

    buttesnake ●

  • buttesnake said...

    Get an avatar.

    Done.

    swizbeatz ●

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