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The "Ask a Notre Dame Fan" Thread

  • Wolverines89 said...

    gorgeous al borges has been cooking something up for ND. norfleet is going to do damage,

    Did you just quote yourself and add a comment further backing up your own opinion? What is that all about?

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  • Peterklima said...

    Did you just quote yourself and add a comment further backing up your own opinion? What is that all about?

    just making sure you guys know that the beast will be released this week.

    Wolverines89

  • MSU fans thought their O-line was pretty good. We were getting to their QB rushing 4 and sometimes 3 guys. If we can do that against UM, our LBs will be waiting for D-Rob to run. Tuitt is a beast as well as Nix. Sheldon Day is not playing like a freshman. Shembo and Ishaq have stepped up their game tons since last year. Manti is, well, Manti. DBs are young, but I like their athleticism. Offense is still working , but getting better. Our QB position has a nice upgrade in Golson. I like our playmakers, and that we can sub in lots of fresh legs.

    ND needs to keep Denard in the pocket. Can't let him scramble around too often. I'm going with ND by 10.

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  • MSU's O-line was in disarray
    http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/09/after_michigan_states_offensiv.html
    So dont compare our O line to MSU's

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  • D-Mo said...

    MSU fans thought their O-line was pretty good. We were getting to their QB rushing 4 and sometimes 3 guys. If we can do that against UM, our LBs will be waiting for D-Rob to run. Tuitt is a beast as well as Nix. Sheldon Day is not playing like a freshman. Shembo and Ishaq have stepped up their game tons since last year. Manti is, well, Manti. DBs are young, but I like their athleticism. Offense is still working , but getting better. Our QB position has a nice upgrade in Golson. I like our playmakers, and that we can sub in lots of fresh legs.

    ND needs to keep Denard in the pocket. Can't let him scramble around too often. I'm going with ND by 10.

    MSU fans were wrong. The Boise game should of told them that.

    Michigan's pass protection has been outstanding this year. Even in the Bama game Denard had time to throw.

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    MSU fans were wrong. The Boise game should of told them that.

    Michigan's pass protection has been outstanding this year. Even in the Bama game Denard had time to throw.

    That's probably because Bama's strategy was to keep Denard in the pocket and force him to win with his arm and not his legs. Both your lines OL/DL are worse than they were last year.

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  • star69 said...

    That's probably because Bama's strategy was to keep Denard in the pocket and force him to win with his arm and not his legs. Both your lines OL/DL are worse than they were last year.

    I'm assuming that will be ND's plan as well... I hope not though.

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  • star69 said...

    That's probably because Bama's strategy was to keep Denard in the pocket and force him to win with his arm and not his legs. Both your lines OL/DL are worse than they were last year.

    D-Mo said ND was getting to the QB with 3 or 4 guys rushing
    Bama rushed 4 and Denard still had time, I dont see ND rushing 4 and getting to Denard like they did to MSU

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  • I don't think we utilize the QB draw enough...like on the play from Penn State 2011. That opens up so much when that happens and he is basically unstoppable. And what about the play where he runs towards the line then goes over top on a seam route to a wide open Roundtree. Those two plays in my mind...the draw in particular would be great to use in this game against ND

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  • The OL comparison vs. MSU and last year's OL is much more complex than I think people are making it out to be.

    Our tackles have improved, Schofield > Huyge and Lewan has improved as well. You can make the argument that Michigan's tackles are probably the best pair of tackles outside of Alabama. I don't think Michigan is going to have trouble from DE's on 4 man rushes (against any team).

    The interior of the line is definitely worse than last year - in both pass protect and run blocking. The way teams are going to get pass rush against Michigan successfully is on the inside and/or by disguising where the pressure is coming from (i.e. sending multiple guys up a gap).

    MSU's OLine strength is on the interior and very run oriented. ND was able to take advantage of their deficiencies in pass pro and on the edges to get after Maxwell. ND has the talent and personnel to successfully get pressure on Denard, but I don't think that'll happen using the same tactics they used vs. MSU.

    UMPat

  • star69 said...

    That's probably because Bama's strategy was to keep Denard in the pocket and force him to win with his arm and not his legs. Both your lines OL/DL are worse than they were last year.

    Actually, you are wrong, Thru 3 games the DLine has graded out better than last years thru the first 3 games...How did u determine your last statement?

    Now if you are comparing the Sugar Bowl line vs the current DLine, I can agree with that.

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  • UMPat said...

    The OL comparison vs. MSU and last year's OL is much more complex than I think people are making it out to be.

    Our tackles have improved, Schofield > Huyge and Lewan has improved as well. You can make the argument that Michigan's tackles are probably the best pair of tackles outside of Alabama. I don't think Michigan is going to have trouble from DE's on 4 man rushes (against any team).

    The interior of the line is definitely worse than last year - in both pass protect and run blocking. The way teams are going to get pass rush against Michigan successfully is on the inside and/or by disguising where the pressure is coming from (i.e. sending multiple guys up a gap).

    MSU's OLine strength is on the interior and very run oriented. ND was able to take advantage of their deficiencies in pass pro and on the edges to get after Maxwell. ND has the talent and personnel to successfully get pressure on Denard, but I don't think that'll happen using the same tactics they used vs. MSU.

    I agree, How many sacks have been given up this year? 1?

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  • star69 said...

    That's probably because Bama's strategy was to keep Denard in the pocket and force him to win with his arm and not his legs. Both your lines OL/DL are worse than they were last year.

    I disagree. Our OL has been solid. Denard is still getting his rushing yards. The pass protection has been solid. We played Bama. We were not going to run the ball well against them. Our RBs struggled some against Air Force but were fine against UMass. I don't see how you can say our OL hasn't been as good as it was last year.

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  • star69 said...

    That's probably because Bama's strategy was to keep Denard in the pocket and force him to win with his arm and not his legs. Both your lines OL/DL are worse than they were last year.

    Except, there are obvious passing downs, even with Denard.

    Also, if Bama played contain and Robinson has burned the Irish, don't you think ND will play contain too? Since ND has nowhere near the DB talent or performance of Bama, is that going to be an issue for you guys?

    (Bama's DBs, especially Milliner, broke up a ton of plays or had great bumps, without that, it is a different game.)

    Peterklima

  • thevictor_11 said...

    I'm assuming that will be ND's plan as well... I hope not though.

    If we had proven CB's then I'd agree, but we don't. Our front 7 has been able to hide our CB's to this point. Unless the staff is much more confident in our CB's than I am then yes. Will be very interesting to see our defensive strategy on your first drive.

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  • TRUxBLUxFAN said...

    D-Mo said ND was getting to the QB with 3 or 4 guys rushing
    Bama rushed 4 and Denard still had time, I dont see ND rushing 4 and getting to Denard like they did to MSU

    D-Mo is correct. We had no problems at getting to or pressuring the QB with 3 man rush. Out four man rush lived in the MSU backfield. Prince Shembo looked like the guy that played as a FR and not the guy we had last year who was playing the CAT position. I'm not positive, but I believe Bama ask their NT to take on blocks. Louis Nix is a pretty good pass rusher from the NT position.

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  • UMPat said...

    The OL comparison vs. MSU and last year's OL is much more complex than I think people are making it out to be.

    Our tackles have improved, Schofield > Huyge and Lewan has improved as well. You can make the argument that Michigan's tackles are probably the best pair of tackles outside of Alabama. I don't think Michigan is going to have trouble from DE's on 4 man rushes (against any team).

    The interior of the line is definitely worse than last year - in both pass protect and run blocking. The way teams are going to get pass rush against Michigan successfully is on the inside and/or by disguising where the pressure is coming from (i.e. sending multiple guys up a gap).

    MSU's OLine strength is on the interior and very run oriented. ND was able to take advantage of their deficiencies in pass pro and on the edges to get after Maxwell. ND has the talent and personnel to successfully get pressure on Denard, but I don't think that'll happen using the same tactics they used vs. MSU.

    We had no issues getting after the QB up the middle. We run a 4-3 just as much if not more than 3-4. Tuitt and Day/Nix move inside with Shembo and Ishaq lined up on the outside.

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    I disagree. Our OL has been solid. Denard is still getting his rushing yards. The pass protection has been solid. We played Bama. We were not going to run the ball well against them. Our RBs struggled some against Air Force but were fine against UMass. I don't see how you can say our OL hasn't been as good as it was last year.

    Bama's great everyone will agree with that. AF was probably outweighed by 40-50 pounds on the interior and UMass is the worst team in the FBS, worse than Colorado. Denards Denard so he'll get his rushing yards. Last year and this year very few RB's have had any luck against our front 7. Fortunately for you guys you have Denard so who knows?shrug

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  • Peterklima said...

    Except, there are obvious passing downs, even with Denard.

    Also, if Bama played contain and Robinson has burned the Irish, don't you think ND will play contain too? Since ND has nowhere near the DB talent or performance of Bama, is that going to be an issue for you guys?

    (Bama's DBs, especially Milliner, broke up a ton of plays or had great bumps, without that, it is a different game.)

    Believe I answered this somewhere already. With our CB's being so inexperienced I'm not sure. If we had experienced CB's that could cover 100%, but we don't. Our secondary is very dependent on our front 7 getting after the QB and speeding up his decision making. If I were UM I'd test the boundary CB and S early. Russell is a true FR with a lot of talent, but he a true FR that hasn't spent much time at CB. Backing him up at safety is now Farley a RS-FR that hasn't played football that long and was a WR last year. Farley has surprised me so far. He's been lights out in the box, but hasn't been tested much deep. Our nickel back true FR Elijah Shumate, also our in with Peppers, was a safety/RB in HS and moved to CB this summer. Kid has been lights out and our best cover corner, IMO. Bennet Jackson has looked bad despite two INT's. If out boundry corner holds up I'm expecting to see BJax get picked on..

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  • D-Mo said...

    MSU fans thought their O-line was pretty good. We were getting to their QB rushing 4 and sometimes 3 guys. If we can do that against UM, our LBs will be waiting for D-Rob to run.

    lol no one put pressure on denard these three weeks rushing 4 guys. don't think UM has the same line as MSU, its not even close. they think cause bell had a big game against boise that they have a good line. If ND can put pressure on denard with three guys I will never post here again. ND is gonna need 6 guys to get through

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  • Wolverines89 said...

    no one put pressure on denard these three weeks rushing 4 guys. don't think UM has the same line as MSU, its not even close. they think cause bell had a big game against boise that they have a good line. If ND can put pressure on denard with three guys I will never post here again. ND is gonna need 6 guys to get through

    I'm sure Bama did pretty well against your o-line. I didn't see the game so that is an assumption. I'm not going to compare our D-line with Bama, but we are close. Definitely more of a challenge to your O-line than your other 2 opponents. I still take our guys in this contest.

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  • D-Mo said...

    I'm sure Bama did pretty well against your o-line. I didn't see the game so that is an assumption. I'm not going to compare our D-line with Bama, but we are close. Definitely more of a challenge to your O-line than your other 2 opponents. I still take our guys in this contest.

    I can't wait for the schadenfreude on your board after the game.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    I can't wait for the schadenfreude on your board after the game.

    The what?

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    The what?

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