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  • To start the threat, here are my thoughts on the game:

    I am really excited about our upcoming game. I fully expect it to go down to the wire again, except (hopefully) without our kryptonite (Denard R.) succeeding this time.

    Here is how I see the breakdown:

    O-lines - advantage ND
    RBs - advantage ND
    WRs - advantage UM (or push if Davaris Daniels and Eifert are healthy and fully incorporated into the game plan)

    D-lines - advantage ND
    LBs - advantage ND
    Secondary - advantage UM

    QB -
    I keep going back and forth on this one. Obviously, Denard is stud, and is both your best and most important player. In any given game, he makes plays of jaw dropping excellence and stupidity. Overall, he is great asset, but is he enough? Last year, ND had to help him out with 5 turnovers. This year's ND team is far less turnover prone (so far). But I still have nightmares of those jump balls he threw in the 4th quarter against us. While our CBs are young and inexperienced, they at least look for the stupid ball when it is in the air. But I am nervous to see them stacked up against your tall WRs.

    Golson is a work in progress but so far has been a clear upgrade from Rees (and with a very high ceiling). He doesn't have near the speed or agility of Denard but he is plenty fast and agile to avoid rushers and make plays. Plus, he has a rocket of an arm, so he can stretch the field in ways that Rees never could. For example, in two plays against MSU,we had a WR get 3-4 yards on the corner while some 30-40 yards downfield streaking for the end zone. Golson just overthrew both a bit. That won't always happen going forward, and teams will be forced to respect it. Also, he has committed far fewer TOs compared to Rees.

    In short, I see ND winning at the lines of scrimmage. I think that will help us a lot against running from your RBs but it is of only limited help against Denard. On the other side of the ball, I think we will have good success running against your D (which we didn't have against Purdue or MSU, which I believe have superior d-lines to UM). And, I see us having great pass protection for Golson. Eifert should be used much more in the passing game this time around. He didn't have a single catch against MSU because he was primarily used in a blocking rather than receiving role. If he is used as a WR, he will demand double-teams and/or rolling coverage to stop him. This should allow our other WRs plenty of 1-1s.

    The scoring will likely be in the high 20s or 30s for both teams. It really comes down to: (1) bottling Denard, (2) how our CBs cover your WRs, and (3) turnovers.

    Thoughts? Questions?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by magogian on 9/16/2012 at 3:57 PM

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  • I think it's silly to compare OLs, QBs, DLs, etc. It does us no good if our OL is better than your OL. It only matters what the matchups look like.

    Our OL vs. your DL - advantage ND
    Our passing game vs. your secondary - advantage UM
    Our running game vs. your front 7 - push-ish, depends on Fitz

    Your OL vs. our DL - advantage ND
    Your passing game vs. our secondary - advantage UM
    Your running game vs. our front 7 - advantage ND

    I think both offenses will get points and Denard will pull off more magic at the end to cap off his 4-0 career vs. ND.

    This post was edited by Ducksworth on 9/16/2012 at 4:11 PM

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  • I like Your chances vs ND they beat a ok MSU team that wasn't hard to do stop the run win the game and they had the big boys up front to do it. It will be alot harder vs you guys more play makers and D Rob will b hard to stop. I think You guys go in there and beat them. The D will need to step up tho and play better.

    JT1186356

  • ND lines have an advantage both ways.

    UM offense vs ND defenses: UM

    ND offense vs. UM defense: ND

    Miscellaneous: UM

    I think this is going to be another 'last possession' type of games.

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  • neoavatara said...

    ND lines have an advantage both ways.

    UM offense vs ND defenses: UM

    ND offense vs. UM defense: ND

    Miscellaneous: UM

    I think this is going to be another 'last possession' type of games.

    agreed, I think a big key will be getting a running game going early with Denard and the backs, if we can get ND to stack the box I like the mismatches we'll have with our tall receiver 1-1 with much smaller db's. We definetly have some playmakers that msu does not. Our DL will struggle to stop the run but I think with ND's inexperienced wr and qb will be able to commit 7-8 guys to the box most of the game and use blitzes to slow down the run and force golson to beat us with his arm. Likely does come down to who can score last in this one.

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  • 2 things that make ND different this year
    1. The depth and talent of the DL. The ability to sub in fresh DL's and not have a drop off cant be overlooked. Tuitt and Nix are having All American type years. KAP is a 4 year starter. Prince Shembo is playing great right now, but Day, Springman, Ishaq Williams, and Kona have been just a good. There's not the drop off like in past years.
    2. Golson is a difference maker. It was a lot easier to defensively game plan for Tommy Rees. Golson was missed cast by a lot of national pundits who thought he was a running QB. I dont think many of them watched his HS film because he was an impressive passer he had 151 career tds and alot of them came from 30 plus yards. He can scramble but he chooses to keep the play alive and look down field.

    What Michigan has in their advantage is the timing of the game. Flying back from Ireland then playing a improved Purdue team down to wire and expending alot of energy against MSU. Regardless if you think MSU was a top 10 team it was a big game and an emotional win. There is a worry of a let down. Having said that ND has the talent and depth advantage. Dont see Michigan running the ball against us and the DL will get pressure. Seniors like Teo,Motta, KAP, Eifert dont want to finish 0-4 against Michigan and I think that will be big motavation for this week.

    31-16 ND

    kaisercash

  • kaisercash said...

    31-16 UM

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  • kaisercash said...

    31-16 ND

    So you think 1 TD, and 3 FG's? Or UM will have to resort to going for 2 pt conversions after ND controls the game throughout?

    Here's the best part... all those guys you've mentioned have played Denard the past few years except for inexperienced DB's, and did a pathetic job of containing him. Add to that fact that Denard has 6'4 Gardner and 6'5 Funchess as his main targets now instead of 5'7 Gallon, and I imagine those jumpballs will workout just fine.

    thevictor_11

  • I don't know how you don't give the QB edge to Michigan. I think Denard is still gaining yards on the Irish defense somewhere.

    ND is better in the trenches than Michigan, but if Denard runs around and makes a lot of plays like he always does against ND, that could be enough to turn the tide.

    Also, ND has had to play well three weeks in a row. It's tough to keep performing at a high level week to week. Not sure ND can beat Michigan unless they play a good game. Not saying they're not capable of playing well for a fourth Saturday in a row, but I agree with kaisercash that the timing of the game works in the Wolverines favor.

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  • JT#1 said...

    I like Your chances vs ND they beat a ok MSU team that wasn't hard to do stop the run win the game and they had the big boys up front to do it. It will be alot harder vs you guys more play makers and D Rob will b hard to stop. I think You guys go in there and beat them. The D will need to step up tho and play better.

    TBH I think it was a bad matchup for MSU. MSU's offense has been struggling, especially the passing game, and ND's speed on the DL allowed them to pressure Maxwell all night. The UM-ND matchup is very different. We have a much better offense and an extremely mobile QB in his third season as a starter. He will not get rattled like Maxwell. I think it will come down to our DL play. We need to be able to slow down ND's running game and force Golson to beat us with his arm. Can we do that? Idk. If Cierre Wood can get to the outside consistently, it could be a long night. Fingers crossed.

    MrWoodson

  • Victor I think lost in last years 4th quarter debacle was the fact that UM had only 1 drive of 5 plays through 3 quarters. ND's D was actually pretty effective at stopping Michigan. The rest of Michigan's drives were either 3 and outs or TO's. ND's offense didnt cash in to make the game a blow out and our 5 to's were devasting. I dont see Golson throwing 3 ints and fumbling on the goal line. As for the DL Tuitt hadnt broken into the starting line up when we played Michigan last year and I think he might have only played a couple snaps against Michigan. He didnt have his coming out party to late in the season last year. This year he's having an All American season and not my words but Mel Kiper's (which you can take with a grain of salt) said Tuitt might be the best DE in the country. The kid is legit.
    As for the secondary we're young but we are lot more athletic than last year. Jackson, Russell, Shumate, Farley have exceeded expectations to this point. Michigan is the best WR group they will have faced this year. Denard is the best QB so far. Its what Michigan's fans are banking on to be the difference. I understand the rationale I just think ND is a better team and I think the players want to send seniors like Teo and Eifert out with a win against Michigan. Were both fans so we are going to be alittle bias on our teams. I stand by my score prediction but totally understand why you see it the way you do.

    kaisercash

  • kaisercash said...

    2 things that make ND different this year
    1. The depth and talent of the DL. The ability to sub in fresh DL's and not have a drop off cant be overlooked. Tuitt and Nix are having All American type years. KAP is a 4 year starter. Prince Shembo is playing great right now, but Day, Springman, Ishaq Williams, and Kona have been just a good. There's not the drop off like in past years.
    2. Golson is a difference maker. It was a lot easier to defensively game plan for Tommy Rees. Golson was missed cast by a lot of national pundits who thought he was a running QB. I dont think many of them watched his HS film because he was an impressive passer he had 151 career tds and alot of them came from 30 plus yards. He can scramble but he chooses to keep the play alive and look down field.

    What Michigan has in their advantage is the timing of the game. Flying back from Ireland then playing a improved Purdue team down to wire and expending alot of energy against MSU. Regardless if you think MSU was a top 10 team it was a big game and an emotional win. There is a worry of a let down. Having said that ND has the talent and depth advantage. Dont see Michigan running the ball against us and the DL will get pressure. Seniors like Teo,Motta, KAP, Eifert dont want to finish 0-4 against Michigan and I think that will be big motavation for this week.

    31-16 ND

    I call shenanigans. Zero chance you hold us to 16 points. Whichever team wins, the margin will be much closer than that (it always is). You need to recalculate your numbers.

    MrWoodson

  • Notre Dame looked awfully impressive upfront getting after the QB. I would think Notre Dame's emphasis in their game plan is to stop Denard Robinson on the ground. So expect Notre Dame to load the box and make Robinson use his arm like he did last year against Notre Dame. If Robinson can make some plays in the passing game, it could be a long night for ND.

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  • Clint Brewster said...

    Notre Dame looked awfully impressive upfront getting after the QB. I would think Notre Dame's emphasis in their game plan is to stop Denard Robinson on the ground. So expect Notre Dame to load the box and make Robinson use his arm like he did last year against Notre Dame. If Robinson can make some plays in the passing game, it could be a long night for ND.

    I agree with this. I believe Denard will make some plays with his arm. The 2 Devins are turning into legit threats in the receiving game for Denard. I see a couple of big plays in the passing game for Michigan. The big question is will Denard turn the ball over. He just can't throw picks like he is sometimes prone to doing.

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  • kaisercash said...

    Victor I think lost in last years 4th quarter debacle was the fact that UM had only 1 drive of 5 plays through 3 quarters. ND's D was actually pretty effective at stopping Michigan. The rest of Michigan's drives were either 3 and outs or TO's. ND's offense didnt cash in to make the game a blow out and our 5 to's were devasting. I dont see Golson throwing 3 ints and fumbling on the goal line. As for the DL Tuitt hadnt broken into the starting line up when we played Michigan last year and I think he might have only played a couple snaps against Michigan. He didnt have his coming out party to late in the season last year. This year he's having an All American season and not my words but Mel Kiper's (which you can take with a grain of salt) said Tuitt might be the best DE in the country. The kid is legit.
    As for the secondary we're young but we are lot more athletic than last year. Jackson, Russell, Shumate, Farley have exceeded expectations to this point. Michigan is the best WR group they will have faced this year. Denard is the best QB so far. Its what Michigan's fans are banking on to be the difference. I understand the rationale I just think ND is a better team and I think the players want to send seniors like Teo and Eifert out with a win against Michigan. Were both fans so we are going to be alittle bias on our teams. I stand by my score prediction but totally understand why you see it the way you do.

    Last year's game was #2 under Coach Hoke. We were a much, much better team on both sides of the ball by the end of the season than when we played you and the fundamentally improved team is the one you will be facing this year. Our only significant questions right now are run defense and RB production. IMO the run defense question is an open one because anyone who plays Alabama and AF to open the season is going to give up some extra rushing yards. And Denard almost always can step in and provide production on the ground when our RBs are struggling. Using the RBs is better because it limits wear and tear on Denard, but he will be fully available to run as needed this Saturday. Bottom line: our offense is much better than MSU's and it is also better than Purdue's. And your defense is not nearly as good as MSU made it look this weekend. The UM-ND game this weekend should be another classic. Both teams will score plenty of points.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 9/17/2012 at 12:18 PM

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    I agree with this. I believe Denard will make some plays with his arm. The 2 Devins are turning into legit threats in the receiving game for Denard. I see a couple of big plays in the passing game for Michigan. The big question is will Denard turn the ball over. He just can't throw picks like he is sometimes prone to doing.

    Gallo, Dileo and Smith are also solid receiving threats. Gallon had four catches for 107 yards against Alabama. And Roundtree is an experienced WR who can make a big play at any moment (see 2011 ND game), especially if an opponent's attention is focused elsewhere. We have a more balanced and athletic group of receivers and TE's this year than last year.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 9/17/2012 at 12:20 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I call shenanigans. Zero chance you hold us to 16 points. Whichever team wins, the margin will be much closer than that (it always is). You need to recalculate your numbers.

    Yeah I see no way we only score 16 after scoring 14 against Bama... I know it's a different week, but I can't imagine that ND's D is even in the same ballpark as Bama's.

    thevictor_11

  • Great point about the turnovers WillyWolverine. Although Denard has made strides as a pocket passer, the turnovers are still a major concern. If Robinson doesn't turn the ball over and makes some plays in the passing game, I think Michigan will be in position to win the game this week.

    This post was edited by Clint Brewster on 9/17/2012 at 1:01 PM

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  • What is Eiffert's status/health for the game?

    He's a guy I don't think Michigan has an answer to, and could be ND's best offensive weapon.

    UMPat

  • UMPat said...

    What is Eiffert's status/health for the game?

    He's a guy I don't think Michigan has an answer to, and could be ND's best offensive weapon.

    Concussions are always iffy, so I think it'll be a day-to-day thing. We won't know until Thursday/Friday.

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  • CMXI said...

    Concussions are always iffy, so I think it'll be a day-to-day thing. We won't know until Thursday/Friday.

    Thank, I didn't even know he was concussed. Yea those things are messy, who could play but not even make an impact.

    UMPat

  • UMPat said...

    What is Eiffert's status/health for the game?

    He's a guy I don't think Michigan has an answer to, and could be ND's best offensive weapon.

    Did Eiffert not play against MSU?

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Did Eiffert not play against MSU?

    Got a mild concussion in the 3rd, didn't return. He didn't do anything anyways though.

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  • We have to get off the field defensively. Like Hoke says, we play great D when our offense is on the field.

    Denard will have another good game. ND can't bottle him up like MSU has done in the past.

    I'll go with the odds and say Michigan by 4.

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  • CMXI said...

    Got a mild concussion in the 3rd, didn't return. He didn't do anything anyways though.

    Thanks. Didn't know that. I think he also suffered a mild concussion in the Purdue game. He probably shouldn't have even played against MSU.

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