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Standard "Lol Sparty" thread.

  • copemoney0 said...

    your opinion.

    If you're not first, you're last.

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    Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898

    msucantmakebcs

  • copemoney0 said...

    "It's not just about the number of wins. Looking only at the number of wins can be incredibly misleading. Yes, playing two more baby seals opens you up to the slight risk you might lose one, but they are usually gimmees. What separates the best teams is the ability to win all the tough games. "

    So then I assumed in previous posts that the 2 undefeated seasons by UM shouldn't be viewed in the same light as other undefeated seasons simply because they got a good # of wins, but many of those were baby seals and gimmees and not against tough/ranked teams.

    What undefeated seasons? In 1997, we played loads of ranked teams.

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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    What undefeated seasons? In 1997, we played loads of ranked teams.

    Go back and read.. wasn't talking about the 1997 season

    copemoney0

  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    If you're not first, you're last.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Go back and read.. wasn't talking about the 1997 season

    People seem to take your posts out of context a lot.

    NigelUno

  • NigelUno said...

    People seem to take your posts out of context a lot.

    shrug It's hard to get the right context when his arguments keep changing.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    shrug It's hard to get the right context when his arguments keep changing.

    Each argument might develop new legs, and that makes the discussion go in a similar, but different direction

    copemoney0

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    shrug It's hard to get the right context when his arguments keep changing.

    4-5 people keep changing the arguments. He's done a good job keeping up.

    NigelUno

  • NigelUno said...

    4-5 people keep changing the arguments. He's done a good job keeping up.

    lol He's the one who tried saying Hoke doesn't take 3 stars, when it's proven he does, he changes it to mid and low 3 stars and says he only takes 1 or 2 per class. We then go on to show him that Hoke takes 5-6 mid to low 3 stars per class. Cope still insisted that it's 1-2. Seems like he changed the argument there. shrug

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    lol He's the one who tried saying Hoke doesn't take 3 stars, when it's proven he does, he changes it to mid and low 3 stars and says he only takes 1 or 2 per class. We then go on to show him that Hoke takes 5-6 mid to low 3 stars per class. Cope still insisted that it's 1-2. Seems like he changed the argument there. shrug

    It was shown that Hoke's taken 4-5 mid-low 3stars or less over the last 2 years.

    And the entire point of showing that was to prove that MSU's talent wouldn't have really been dropped off from their successful 2010 and 2011 campaigns.. Not sure how you can convince yourself that Hoke would have taken Cousins, Bell, Robinson, martin, BJ and countless others that defined MSU over the last 2 years.

    Sure, maybe MSU loses Baker or Caper and Norman - but for the most part- they all would have been overlooked, thus MSU still goes on to have two very good seasons

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    It was shown that Hoke's taken 4-5 mid-low 3stars or less over the last 2 years.

    And the entire point of showing that was to prove that MSU's talent wouldn't have really been dropped off from their successful 2010 and 2011 campaigns.. Not sure how you can convince yourself that Hoke would have taken Cousins, Bell, Robinson, martin, BJ and countless others that defined MSU over the last 2 years.

    Sure, maybe MSU loses Baker or Caper and Norman - but for the most part- they all would have been overlooked, thus MSU still goes on to have two very good seasons

    Actually, it was shown that he takes 5 or 6 per year. Not sure how you insist otherwise.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Actually, it was shown that he takes 5 or 6 per year. Not sure how you insist otherwise.

    Per Rivals..

    Hoke has taken 9 "middling" 3 stars over 2012 and 2013- middling = 5.6 or less.

    Divided by 2 classes = 4.5 middling 3 stars a class or as I said "It was shown that Hoke's taken 4-5 mid-low 3stars or less over the last 2 years. "

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    lol He's the one who tried saying Hoke doesn't take 3 stars, when it's proven he does, he changes it to mid and low 3 stars and says he only takes 1 or 2 per class. We then go on to show him that Hoke takes 5-6 mid to low 3 stars per class. Cope still insisted that it's 1-2. Seems like he changed the argument there. shrug

    Now you're just taking him out of context.

    NigelUno

  • copemoney0 said...

    Per Rivals..

    Hoke has taken 9 "middling" 3 stars over 2012 and 2013- middling = 5.6 or less.

    Divided by 2 classes = 4.5 middling 3 stars a class or as I said "It was shown that Hoke's taken 4-5 mid-low 3stars or less over the last 2 years. "

    juggle

    According to 247 I count 5 this class and 8 last class. If you count 88's as high 3 stars then it becomes 4 this year and 7 last year. Or about 5.5 per class.

    juggle

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • copemoney0 said...

    Sure- Carr might have.. how many 3*stars from MI are in Hokes 2013 class?

    Bump.

    No mention of specific rated 3* kids.

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 7/13/2012 at 10:32 AM

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Bump.

    I'm not denying the initial argument started with just 3 stars.

    And then I took a look and realized that some of Hoke's 3 stars are borderline 4 stars and the majority of MSU's success the last 2 years was dependent on guys rated less than what Hoke typically took as a 3 star- thus why I altered the discussion to just "middling" 3 stars

    Already conceded Hoke takes more 3 stars than I initially thought- however, it's the middling 3 stars or lower than mainly contributed to MSU's success in 2010 and 2011, which is why I then looked at just that because UM fans were claiming that they would have taken most of the talent that made MSU successful the past 2 years and that's just not the case

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by copemoney0 on 7/13/2012 at 10:37 AM

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  • And this thread has come full circle. I'll see you guys on the next lap.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    According to 247 I count 5 this class and 8 last class. If you count 88's as high 3 stars then it becomes 4 this year and 7 last year. Or about 5.5 per class.

    juggle

    I've never claimed to be going by 247 recruits.

    I've always gone by Rivals recruits (and stated as such)- so feel free to use a different service than I to get different numbers.

    Not really an apples to apples comparison then

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    I'm not denying the initial argument started with just 3 stars.

    And then I took a look and realized that some of Hoke's 3 stars are borderline 4 stars and the majority of MSU's success the last 2 years was dependent on guys rated less than what Hoke typically took as a 3 star- thus why I ALTERED the discussion to just "middling" 3 stars

    Already conceded Hoke takes more 3 stars than I initially thought- however, it's the middling 3 stars or lower than mainly contributed to MSU's success in 2010 and 2011, which is why I then looked at just that because UM fans were claiming that they would have taken most of the talent that made MSU successful the past 2 years and that's just not the case

    lol So you did change it, nice to see you admit that.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    I'm not denying the initial argument started with just 3 stars.

    And then I took a look and realized that some of Hoke's 3 stars are borderline 4 stars and the majority of MSU's success the last 2 years was dependent on guys rated less than what Hoke typically took as a 3 star- thus why I altered the discussion to just "middling" 3 stars

    Already conceded Hoke takes more 3 stars than I initially thought- however, it's the middling 3 stars or lower than mainly contributed to MSU's success in 2010 and 2011, which is why I then looked at just that because UM fans were claiming that they would have taken most of the talent that made MSU successful the past 2 years and that's just not the case

    As shown over and over, you just move the goalpost time and again when your points are proven wrong.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    As shown over and over, you just move the goalpost time and again when your points are proven wrong.

    Did you even read what I wrote?

    This doesn't change the overlying point of the discussion that UM wouldn't have gotten the majority of talent on MSU's roster the last 2 years if RR years didn't happen. So adjusting the argument to more clearly make my point was needed.

    You can talk all you want about how I "move the goalpost" fact still remains that you've yet to refute the fact that UM wouldn't have gotten the majority of MSU's talent that drove the success in 2010 and 2011.

    So continue to make fun of me or me changing the stance of my argument- but facts are facts and you've yet to refute that.

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    UM fans were claiming that they would have taken most of the talent that made MSU successful the past 2 years and that's just not the case

    Is there a list of these hypothetical specific players?

    NigelUno

  • NigelUno said...

    Is there a list of these hypothetical specific players?

    Great question.

    Per xxmgobluexx in other thread..

    Baker
    Caper
    Norman
    Sims
    Drummond
    Gholston
    Hicks
    Rush
    Schofner (now Burkland)
    Davis
    Knox
    Miller
    Thomas

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    Great question.

    Per xxmgobluexx in other thread..

    Baker Caper Norman Sims Drummond Gholston Hicks Rush Schofner (now Burkland) Davis Knox Miller Thomas

    And which Michigan players would they have replaced? There has to be a quid pro quo in this hypothetical, right?

    Would they have replaced the lowest ranking recruits, or the guys who haven't really produced on the field (regardless of what their star ratings were)?

    NigelUno

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