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Mitch Again said...
Way to contradict yourself as blatantly as possible. Your entire first paragraph is you pretending that you knew the minds of our coaches with the Bellomy situation. You have not the slightest idea what happened. Bellomy was impressive during our Spring game, and was a very solid QB in practice all year. Devin was moved to WR to get the best athletes on the field, so in the result of Denard going down in the game, Bellomy would complete that game as a back up and Devin would take snaps at QB in practice the following week.
Bellomy earned a chance all year to get a go. The in-game situation is something you can't prepare for, especially on the road at a place like Nebraska, and Bellomy buckled under pressure. That was not a talent mis-evaluation.
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MercuryHayes said...
And don't pretend that you knew in the mind of Gardner either. He may have moved to the WR spot because the coaches asked him and he's a team player, but why did they ask him? Probably because they felt Bellomy was ready to step in at number 2!
This post was edited by Kenetic on 3/12/2013 at 9:30 PM
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MercuryHayes said...
Um, yeah, I'm judging the staff based on the evidence presented. Just because Bellomy played horrible for only one half on the road doesn't acquit the coaches for putting him in that position when he clearly wasn't ready. I just don't think you can give the coaches a pass on such mis-evaluation. And especially after Devin proved to be an immediate, vast upgrade. And don't act like Devin was some game breaker at WR either. That was something that was also clear by the Neb game. His loss at WR was not felt, and his seeming inability to block at WR resulted in us doing those stupid run/pass personal grouping tips.
And don't pretend that you knew in the mind of Gardner either. He may have moved to the WR spot because the coaches asked him and he's a team player, but why did they ask him? Probably because they felt Bellomy was ready to step in at number 2! And there we are again at mis-evaluation. And defenses just learned the game plan against Denard? Well why was that? Probably because the complete lack of how to use him properly by Borges, but also because he never progressed, and even regressed, as a passer which takes out a whole game planning element for a defense. Does Borges just get a complete pass for Denard getting worse at passing? Maybe Devin will breakthrough and become awesome (I certainly hope so), and that will be a feather in Borges' cap. But so far Borges has shown nothing with the QBs like Mattison has shown with guys like JT Floyd to make me think he's a super guru who's opinion should be trusted above all. Now they're human and make mistakes like the rest of us, but I'm also not just going to be like "trust the coaches, they've never given a reason to doubt" when it comes to QBs.
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MercuryHayes said...
I don't know the mind of the coaches and never claimed to. I'm drawing my conclusions from what I saw on the field. I saw the staff put out Bellomy as the number 2 QB in a critical game, and never even gave the guy, who through his 5 starts afterward, would lead the B1G in passer efficiency a look. And Devin didn't really even bring much as a receiver. Now, this may be a little speculation, but I don't think it's to far a stretch to draw the conclusion from these facts that the staff watched Bellomy in practice and liked him. They liked him enough that they decided they were comfortable with Devin abandoning the QB spot and putting this untested RS Frosh as the primary back up to a QB which does dinged a lot. And this had disastrous results. Again, with the guy who would have lead the B1G in passer efficiency sitting on the side lines. This one mistake cost us a spot in the championship game.
Now, as said above, small sample sizes and all, but you can't just give the staff a pass on that mistake. Maybe Bellomy did rock in practice. But deciding when someone is game ready is also part of evaluating your players. To give another example, do you give a pass to Lions management for seemingly having all their draft picks suck or have off- (and on-) the field issues? Eventually you have to look at the coaches and wonder about their evaluations. I'm certainly not calling for Borges or anybody to be fired, but at this point, when Borges says "This QB recruit is better than the rest", I don't just accept it, like if say, Mattison decides to give a scholly to an under the radar CB or S. I certainly hope Borges is proved right with time, but I'm personally still in a 'wait and see' mode.
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Amazinglyblue78 said...
I would rather win the
B1G championship and I would hope the coaches aim to make decisions and evaluations according. Does that make sense to you?
If Devin is the 2nd in line last year, imo we accomplish that goal.
You are familiar with that goal, winning the B1G championship?
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Frank C said...
Also, hindsight is clearly 20/20.
Michigan had a void at the WR position going into the 2012 season. Gardner filled that void and it seemed that Michigan could afford to move Gardner because Bellomy had played like a capable back-up.
It was a calculated risk. Unfortunately, it backfired.
Moreover, Michigan fans have quickly forgotten how afraid they were for 2013 season after the Nebraska game. Only after Gardner had a good game at Minnesota did Michigan fans take a sigh of relief. But here's what amazes me: people have forgotten that Gardner didn't start well at Minny.
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Here's the catch-22 of the situation: if Gardner had remained the #2 QB and Michigan's WRs had struggled, some Michigan fans would've undoubtedly wondered why the coaches hadn't moved Gardner to WR.
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Mitch Again said...
Something also to note, based in part on that 2015 New Mexico QB our coaches are showing interest in as well as Speight, I feel as if our coaches are targeting QB's in the 6'5-6'7 range. I have a feeling they want this height at QB, because by the time Speight is starting at Michigan, they anticipate our OL will have a 6'4 center, 6'5 guards, and 6'6/6'7 tackles. We are going to be huge up front, and our coaches might recognize that and want our QB to have full field vision. I could be on to nothing with this point, but I'm interested to see the height of the QB's we bring in going forward, as we already know the OLinemen coming in are mammoths.
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Frank C said...
- People are too down on Bellomy. He was thrown into the worst possible circumstances: a conference road game in prime time. That's 3 things: road game / conference game / prime time.
He didn't respond well and looked unprepared. But he looked much worse than he really is. People don't remember that Nebraska started stacking the box and blitzing because Bellomy was young and inexperienced. Predictably, Bellomy looked rattled.
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