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Speight Question

  • I see he is out with with Steve Clarkson again this week training with the UCLA kid in Brent Hundley and a pretty good '15 prospect in MC Poe.
    Steve or Clint can you reach out to Wilton and get a rundown on what he does in that daily routine out in CA and any video of him training there. Think it would be different and interesting.

    Michmania

  • Talked to him yesterday about doing something similar to what you just said. Might have it up as soon as tomorrow, more likely Thursday.

    Steve Lorenz

  • Steve Lorenz said...

    Talked to him yesterday about doing something similar to what you just said. Might have it up as soon as tomorrow, more likely Thursday.

    Nice, and have the UM coaches talked to MC Poe at all.

    Michmania

  • Steve Lorenz said...

    Talked to him yesterday about doing something similar to what you just said. Might have it up as soon as tomorrow, more likely Thursday.

    Do you read minds?

    AmaizeNblue

  • Steve Lorenz said...

    Talked to him yesterday about doing something similar to what you just said. Might have it up as soon as tomorrow, more likely Thursday.

    And can you ask him to invite Devin and Shane to tag along on a couple of trips? Can't hurt, can it?

    MrWoodson

  • AmaizeNblue said...

    Do you read minds?

    No lol, but I haven't done an extended piece on Wilton since he committed and that was the route I talked about going with him yesterday after I talked to him.

    Steve Lorenz

  • Michmania said...

    I see he is out with with Steve Clarkson again this week training with the UCLA kid in Brent Hundley and a pretty good '15 prospect in MC Poe. Steve or Clint can you reach out to Wilton and get a rundown on what he does in that daily routine out in CA and any video of him training there. Think it would be different and interesting.

    I think Speight will surprise people at camps this summer. Other boards are questioning the UM coaches on this one, but I am now a believer in Speight. He will show why he was selected this summer.

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  • I think Speight is a top 15 QB in his class

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    Moon

  • Moon said...

    I think Speight is a top 15 QB in his class

    BetteR be a top 3, since that is what we could have had.

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    BetteR be a top 3, since that is what we could have had.

    agreed Benefit of the doubt to the coaches at this point.

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  • They've seen all the targets throw in person, and Speight is the one they offered. Can't really doubt them until they give you a reason to.

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    Clarkw267

  • Steve Lorenz said...

    No lol, but I haven't done an extended piece on Wilton since he committed and that was the route I talked about going with him yesterday after I talked to him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J11it8meQo

    AmaizeNblue

  • Clarkw267 said...

    They've seen all the targets throw in person, and Speight is the one they offered. Can't really doubt them until they give you a reason to.

    You mean like watching Bellomy through a year and a half of practice and saying "yep, he's ready to be the number 2 if Denard goes down" when Devin is sitting on the sidelines doing nothing? Or perhaps Denard going from top-20 in passing efficiency in his first year starting as a true sophomore to the dregs of the NCAA by the time he's a senior? Sorry, but while the coaching staff has shown incredible strides in various other areas that were considered hopeless in the short time they took over, QB evaluation/development is NOT one one those. Small sample sizes, but the staff has given plenty of opportunity to doubt them in their QB evaluation.

    MercuryHayes

  • MercuryHayes said...

    You mean like watching Bellomy through a year and a half of practice and saying "yep, he's ready to be the number 2 if Denard goes down" when Devin is sitting on the sidelines doing nothing? Or perhaps Denard going from top-20 in passing efficiency in his first year starting as a true sophomore to the dregs of the NCAA by the time he's a senior? Sorry, but while the coaching staff has shown incredible strides in various other areas that were considered hopeless in the short time they took over, QB evaluation/development is NOT one one those. Small sample sizes, but the staff has given plenty of opportunity to doubt them in their QB evaluation.

    So one half of a game on the road for a RS Frosh QB , and Defenses learning how to gameplan against Denard are what you're going off of? Cool.

    And maybe you aren't aware, but Devin wanted to play WR if he wasn't starting at QB, and had shown he had the potential to be a playmaker at a position where we were lacking..

    Also , do they get the credit for Gardner's performance through 5 games as a starter? His efficiency rating would have been good enough for top 10 in the FBS.

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  • Has anyone heard if Speight is planning to enroll early?

    blumbe

  • kylebennett7127 said...

    BetteR be a top 3, since that is what we could have had.

    I disagree to the extent that, while Cornwell might be "ranked" higher according to the recruiting services (or whoever it may be you're referring to), our coaches clearly wanted Speight more. If Speight is ranked 10 and Cornwell is 2, it's not that we "could have had the second best QB". We have the number 1 QB that the coaches wanted. At this point I could care less where he ends up ranked, unless obviously he ends up a low 3* due to terrible performances this next year, which I absolutely do not foresee.

    Something also to note, based in part on that 2015 New Mexico QB our coaches are showing interest in as well as Speight, I feel as if our coaches are targeting QB's in the 6'5-6'7 range. I have a feeling they want this height at QB, because by the time Speight is starting at Michigan, they anticipate our OL will have a 6'4 center, 6'5 guards, and 6'6/6'7 tackles. We are going to be huge up front, and our coaches might recognize that and want our QB to have full field vision. I could be on to nothing with this point, but I'm interested to see the height of the QB's we bring in going forward, as we already know the OLinemen coming in are mammoths.

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  • blumbe said...

    Has anyone heard if Speight is planning to enroll early?

    He's said that he wants to but its not up to him, it's his school's decision, and he doesn't yet know if he'll be able to.

    inuyesta

  • Clarkw267 said...

    So one half of a game on the road for a RS Frosh QB , and Defenses learning how to gameplan against Denard are what you're going off of? Cool.

    And maybe you aren't aware, but Devin wanted to play WR if he wasn't starting at QB, and had shown he had the potential to be a playmaker at a position where we were lacking..

    Also , do they get the credit for Gardner's performance through 5 games as a starter? His efficiency rating would have been good enough for top 10 in the FBS.

    Um, yeah, I'm judging the staff based on the evidence presented. Just because Bellomy played horrible for only one half on the road doesn't acquit the coaches for putting him in that position when he clearly wasn't ready. I just don't think you can give the coaches a pass on such mis-evaluation. And especially after Devin proved to be an immediate, vast upgrade. And don't act like Devin was some game breaker at WR either. That was something that was also clear by the Neb game. His loss at WR was not felt, and his seeming inability to block at WR resulted in us doing those stupid run/pass personal grouping tips.

    And don't pretend that you knew in the mind of Gardner either. He may have moved to the WR spot because the coaches asked him and he's a team player, but why did they ask him? Probably because they felt Bellomy was ready to step in at number 2! And there we are again at mis-evaluation. And defenses just learned the game plan against Denard? Well why was that? Probably because the complete lack of how to use him properly by Borges, but also because he never progressed, and even regressed, as a passer which takes out a whole game planning element for a defense. Does Borges just get a complete pass for Denard getting worse at passing? Maybe Devin will breakthrough and become awesome (I certainly hope so), and that will be a feather in Borges' cap. But so far Borges has shown nothing with the QBs like Mattison has shown with guys like JT Floyd to make me think he's a super guru who's opinion should be trusted above all. Now they're human and make mistakes like the rest of us, but I'm also not just going to be like "trust the coaches, they've never given a reason to doubt" when it comes to QBs.

    MercuryHayes

  • MercuryHayes said...

    You mean like watching Bellomy through a year and a half of practice and saying "yep, he's ready to be the number 2 if Denard goes down" when Devin is sitting on the sidelines doing nothing? Or perhaps Denard going from top-20 in passing efficiency in his first year starting as a true sophomore to the dregs of the NCAA by the time he's a senior? Sorry, but while the coaching staff has shown incredible strides in various other areas that were considered hopeless in the short time they took over, QB evaluation/development is NOT one one those. Small sample sizes, but the staff has given plenty of opportunity to doubt them in their QB evaluation.

    I tend to agree with you sir. I was somewhat confident in Bellomy, but there is just no comparison to Devin at this point. Whomever was evaluating that situation before the season needs new glasses or new criteria for evaluating, possibly both. That was beyond dumb looking back at it, probably cost us a B1G championship. I really think we beat Nebraska if Devin plays, jmo.

    Amazinglyblue78

  • MercuryHayes said...

    Um, yeah, I'm judging the staff based on the evidence presented. Just because Bellomy played horrible for only one half on the road doesn't acquit the coaches for putting him in that position when he clearly wasn't ready. I just don't think you can give the coaches a pass on such mis-evaluation. And especially after Devin proved to be an immediate, vast upgrade. And don't act like Devin was some game breaker at WR either. That was something that was also clear by the Neb game. His loss at WR was not felt, and his seeming inability to block at WR resulted in us doing those stupid run/pass personal grouping tips.

    And don't pretend that you knew in the mind of Gardner either. He may have moved to the WR spot because the coaches asked him and he's a team player, but why did they ask him? Probably because they felt Bellomy was ready to step in at number 2! And there we are again at mis-evaluation. And defenses just learned the game plan against Denard? Well why was that? Probably because the complete lack of how to use him properly by Borges, but also because he never progressed, and even regressed, as a passer which takes out a whole game planning element for a defense. Does Borges just get a complete pass for Denard getting worse at passing? Maybe Devin will breakthrough and become awesome (I certainly hope so), and that will be a feather in Borges' cap. But so far Borges has shown nothing with the QBs like Mattison has shown with guys like JT Floyd to make me think he's a super guru who's opinion should be trusted above all. Now they're human and make mistakes like the rest of us, but I'm also not just going to be like "trust the coaches, they've never given a reason to doubt" when it comes to QBs.

    Way to contradict yourself as blatantly as possible. Your entire first paragraph is you pretending that you knew the minds of our coaches with the Bellomy situation. You have not the slightest idea what happened. Bellomy was impressive during our Spring game, and was a very solid QB in practice all year. Devin was moved to WR to get the best athletes on the field, so in the result of Denard going down in the game, Bellomy would complete that game as a back up and Devin would take snaps at QB in practice the following week.

    Bellomy earned a chance all year to get a go. The in-game situation is something you can't prepare for, especially on the road at a place like Nebraska, and Bellomy buckled under pressure. That was not a talent mis-evaluation.

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  • Mitch Again said...

    Way to contradict yourself as blatantly as possible. Your entire first paragraph is you pretending that you knew the minds of our coaches with the Bellomy situation. You have not the slightest idea what happened. Bellomy was impressive during our Spring game, and was a very solid QB in practice all year. Devin was moved to WR to get the best athletes on the field, so in the result of Denard going down in the game, Bellomy would complete that game as a back up and Devin would take snaps at QB in practice the following week.

    Bellomy earned a chance all year to get a go. The in-game situation is something you can't prepare for, especially on the road at a place like Nebraska, and Bellomy buckled under pressure. That was not a talent mis-evaluation.

    Impressive? Throwing five yard check downs? Devin is the better quarterback. Are you questioning that? This is what evaluations are used for to decipher which of the candidates is best, or in our case what need would be best served for our superstar athlete. Clearly he would of been more valuable last year as the 2nd quarterback, and if your questioning that I adamantly disagree with you.

    Amazinglyblue78

  • Amazinglyblue78 said...

    Impressive? Throwing five yard check downs? Devin is the better quarterback. Are you questioning that? This is what evaluations are used for to decipher which of the candidates is best, or in our case what need would be best served for our superstar athlete. Clearly he would of been more valuable last year as the 2nd quarterback, and if your questioning that I adamantly disagree with you.

    What are you talking about? A good majority of Michigan fans thought Bellomy outperformed Devin in the Spring game. Devin did not look good and couldn't even consistently hit those 5 foot check downs you speak of.

    Of course Devin is a better quarterback. But you can't use hindsight to act like you know what was happening. Devin wasn't nearly this impressive in the spring and summer, while Bellomy was holding his own. Devin took no snaps at QB for at least a month prior to the Nebraska game. Do you want him to come in the 2nd quarter and start playing QB right away? Bellomy wasn't a dud in practice, therefore they elected to go with him and get one of our better WR's on the field for the season. You can't plan for the future expecting inevitable injuries.

    Again, you can't teach hostile game situations. If you don't understand that, you must have never played sports. There are countless kids who are practice MVP's and don't do shit when the lights are on.

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  • Mitch Again said...

    What are you talking about? A good majority of Michigan fans thought Bellomy outperformed Devin in the Spring game. Devin did not look good and couldn't even consistently hit those 5 foot check downs you speak of.

    Of course Devin is a better quarterback. But you can't use hindsight to act like you know what was happening. Devin wasn't nearly this impressive in the spring and summer, while Bellomy was holding his own. Devin took no snaps at QB for at least a month prior to the Nebraska game. Do you want him to come in the 2nd quarter and start playing QB right away? Bellomy wasn't a dud in practice, therefore they elected to go with him and get one of our better WR's on the field for the season. You can't plan for the future expecting inevitable injuries.

    Again, you can't teach hostile game situations. If you don't understand that, you must have never played sports. There are countless kids who are practice MVP's and don't do shit when the lights are on.

    Absolutely, would of loved to see Devin come in .

    Are you kidding me, reevaluating your decisions in order to make better ones or equally as successful ones, not possible? fingergun That was a bad decision. Do you think we win the Nebraska game if Devin comes in?

    He couldn't throw those five yard check downs, but of course he is a better quarterback? Yet you speak of contradictions.

    Amazinglyblue78

  • Amazinglyblue78 said...

    Absolutely, would of loved to see Devin come in .

    Are you kidding me, reevaluating your decisions in order to make better ones or equally as successful ones, not possible? fingergun That was a bad decision. Do you think we win the Nebraska game if Devin comes in?

    He couldn't throw those five yard check downs, but of course he is a better quarterback? Yet you speak of contradictions.

    Devin couldn't hit the five yard check downs, and now apparently you can't read.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say with your second sentence.

    If Devin was practicing at QB before the Nebraska game, then yes we probably win. Would you rather he not practice to his full potential at the WR position that he was playing for the first time? Or would you rather he just sits on the bench hoping Denard gets hurt? OR, do you think Devin not playing WR would have had no impact on the first half of our season?

    You clearly don't have a clue.

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  • Mitch Again said...

    Devin couldn't hit the five yard check downs, and now apparently you can't read.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say with your second sentence.

    If Devin was practicing at QB before the Nebraska game, then yes we probably win. Would you rather he not practice to his full potential at the WR position that he was playing for the first time? Or would you rather he just sits on the bench hoping Denard gets hurt? OR, do you think Devin not playing WR would have had no impact on the first half of our season?

    You clearly don't have a clue.

    I would rather win the censored B1G championship and I would hope the coaches aim to make decisions and evaluations according. Does that make sense to you?

    If Devin is the 2nd in line last year, imo we accomplish that goal.

    You are familiar with that goal, winning the B1G championship?

    Amazinglyblue78