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MrWoodson said...
FWIW here's a detailed take on the hire from a Buckeye (posted on RCMB):
playmea said...
As a Buckeye fan and a Spartan fan, I want to give you guys the honest truth... I think what Dantonio did was hire a "Yes" man. Let me explain...
This move is following the Tressel model for micro-managing. Bollman will be Dantonio's guy. He's safe, he isn't going anywhere and he'll be an enforcer on the staff. Not sure if thats needed or not at MSU. But Bollman's role at tOSU was JT's yes man. Bollman carried the title of OC, but it was widely known for a very long time that JT was the play-caller. Often JT was asked about this.
Bollman worked form the booth. He is very conservative in his approach towards attacking a defense. But very dynamic in its diversity. For example, Bollman wants to be the jack of all trades but master of nothing. You can expect to see the same play ran quite often but run out of tons of different formations in his approach to break tendencies. It will be infuriating.
The good news is, like in the Tressel mold, you do NOT have to worry about your offense losing the game for you. The bad news is, more often than not, it won't WIN the game for you either.
I think Dantonio must have a larger plan in mind here for the offense. Bollman received the OC offer to sway him from Pur and Dantonio get his "guy". But Bollman may simply work on offensive game planning. He likely won't be the play caller.
As an OL coach, you are getting a guy with NFL experience. Thats good and bad. He wants to cross train everyone. You will have no specialization. He prioritizes big bodies that can move as opposed to other qualities. So you can expect to recruit a bunch of Guards and no Tackles. The Center in his mind is the most important position on the line. So he will produce some quality Centers. But thats it. You will regress in your quality of Tackle play. But the bigger issue is OL recruiting. Depth will drop. Because the ethos is to cross train everyone and no specialization, this allows OL number sot be smaller. So you can expect very low OL depth. Your two deep will consist of playing musical OL and switching them around. One guy may be the starting RT, but if someone gets injured, things will be reshuffled and he could be the backup Left Guard and the third string Center.
This was my biggest criticism of Bollman. I did not like his approach to OL recruiting and depth. I think he does a good job of training, but because everyone plays every position, I did not like our lack of specialization at positions such as OT. Ultimately, this results in players probably not getting drafted as high as they should. And their careers in college didn't seem as impressive. But ironically, these players end up doing ok in the NFL. Thats because Bollman's system lends well to performing at the next level. Where OL depth is intentionally smaller than in college. And cross training is mandatory.
Buckeyes will argue these points and declare Bollman as the worst OL coach in history. He's not THAT bad. But he's certainly going to be a point of frustration for you. But behind closed doors it was always believed that Tressel saw different value in Bollman. Its likely the same thing that Dantonio sees. I do believe that this value may not be as evident on the field. So its likely you guys will not be happy with this hire. I am a Spartan fan as well as a Buckeye fan. My wife is an alum and I went to tOSU. But I grew up in Detroit and all my friends went to MSU. I personally do not like this hire for MSU. But I believe I understand why. I think Dantonio is building his own Tressel regime. The Tressel model wins. But its infuriating to watch. It begins with having YOUR people. Dantonio is doing that. We'll see how it plays out.
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Just reading a couple Sparties defend their new coach to the bitter end makes me laugh my butt off. They don't even know the guy, but as long as Saint Dantonio gave the hire his blessing, it's all good by Sparty.
I sense a return to good, ole Sparty MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13
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Jandy said...
Will be interesting to see what happens.
One thing I want to point out, however, is that it is not official what position Bollman is being considered for. It's quite possible he could be the OL coach and co-OC, with the other co-OC taking the play-calling duties. Or perhaps Dantonio will begin to call plays. Or maybe he's being hired as the OL coach, after a promotion of Staten or Salem.
It's hard to say at this point.
I will admit that if Bollman is calling the plays I will have reservations.
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CMXI said...
Santonio Holmes was the only one that I'd really consider a success. After that, Anthony Gonzalez was good for a couple years, Ted Ginn hasn't lived up to expectations, and Dane Sanzenbacher, Brian Robiskie and Michael Jenkins have been mediocre at best. Brian Hartline was a flash in the pan this year, we'll see if he can build on it, and it's too early to tell with Devier Posey.
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CMXI said...
Santonio Holmes was the only one that I'd really consider a success. After that, Anthony Gonzalez was good for a couple years, Ted Ginn hasn't lived up to expectations, and Dane Sanzenbacher, Brian Robiskie and Michael Jenkins have been mediocre at best. Brian Hartline was a flash in the pan this year, we'll see if he can build on it, and it's too early to tell with Devier Posey.
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MrWoodson said...
Idk. Do you really think other coaching staffs will repeatedly bring up that OSU had the 115th ranked passing offense, completing less than 10 passes per game, the year Bollman was calling plays? That would be mean.
"I haven't had an opportunity to coach a great WR since Santonio Holmes and Ted Ginn, and you make them look like CFL players."
Boom. Commitment cemented.
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CMXI said...
Santonio Holmes was the only one that I'd really consider a success. After that, Anthony Gonzalez was good for a couple years, Ted Ginn hasn't lived up to expectations, and Dane Sanzenbacher, Brian Robiskie and Michael Jenkins have been mediocre at best. Brian Hartline was a flash in the pan this year, we'll see if he can build on it, and it's too early to tell with Devier Posey.
This post was edited by dukeluke on 2/27/2013 at 4:31 PM
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Jandy said...
Will be interesting to see what happens.
One thing I want to point out, however, is that it is not official what position Bollman is being considered for. It's quite possible he could be the OL coach and co-OC, with the other co-OC taking the play-calling duties. Or perhaps Dantonio will begin to call plays. Or maybe he's being hired as the OL coach, after a promotion of Staten or Salem.
It's hard to say at this point.
I will admit that if Bollman is calling the plays I will have reservations.
Fair point. While I am not ripping Sparty here, this one would make me nervous.
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