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We have one receiver who would get playing time in the days of Braylon/Manningham/Breaston etc. and that's Gallon. The OL recruiting set the program back and the secondary is awful. Not to mention half of the 2010 class departing. Yes. It was that bad.

I didn't realize it was that bad. How can that guy win at AZ and WVU and not at Michigan? It is mind boggling. Would you give up that era if it meant you never got Denard? You lost some games, but he was pretty fun to watch.

I remember when Hoke first got hired and we started hearing names of guys Hoke was recruiting who had high interest in UM. After being numbed by RR recruiting I just assumed they were "overlooked, underrated" 3 star types I was so used to under RR. I was shocked when the player rankings list started coming out and so many of the recruits were on the lists. Really an eye opener for me how low we had fallen.

Because you don't have to play defense in the Pac-12. It's all offense, and the defenses, save Stanford and Oregon-ish, are abysmal.

Thats a good question. Let's say Hoke get's hired when RR did. Mallet probably wouldn't have left so we probably would have been good at QB and obviously in better shape around the board with Hoke at UM. With that said I love Denard but i think Michigan would have been better off so yes 100 give up denard. RR set Michigan back for 8 years with his recruiting.

Sure. RR was a disgrace in many ways: First sanctions (though minor) ever in the program, worst head coaching record in 100 years, worst season record in probably 50 + years, recruiting classes consistently poorly ranked....

Are you trolling for something. This discussion is easily Googled here or MGoBlog.

Honestly, I think RR's recruiting was somewhat damaged by the same thing that also led to various other problems - he was a "poor fit" and by that I mean he was rejected extremely quickly by a large % of Michigan fans, Michigan alums and as we later found out people within the university and athletic department as well. And those things tend to radiate outward. You can't succeed at a program if not everyone is pulling in the same direction.

You don't need to have huge maulers. Look at Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oregon, and Ohio to some extent. Not real huge linemen or anyone besides Max Unger that has had a solid NFL career.

Courtesy of Tom VH.

Let's look at actual numbers (recruiting wise)
You guys are upset, and I understand that, but let's look at some numbers to help explain why Michigan is at where they're at right now. This is not meant to be a dig on any of the players, or say that rankings are always right because they're a prediction/projection. That being said, take a look at what Brady Hoke and Al Borges are working with on offense.

2008 Class still on the roster:

OL still on the roster (3):
Ricky Barnum: #4 OG, 80 rating (equals a 4-star)
Elliott Mealer: #42 OT, 77 rating (equals a 3-star)
Patrick Omameh: #113 OT, 69 rating (probably a 3-star)

WR still on the roster (1):
Roy Roundtree: #104 WR, 3-star

You have three OL, one WR, no QB's, RB's or TE's from this class still on the roster.

One four-star remaining on the offensive roster.

2009 Class still on the roster:

QB (1):
Denard Robinson: #7 ATH, 81 rating (equals a 4-star)

OL (2):
Taylor Lewan: #12 OT, 80 rating (4-star)
Michael Schofield: #40 OT, 77 rating (3-star)

RB (2):
Fitz Toussaint: #28 RB, 79 rating (4-star)
Vince Smith: #60 RB, 77 rating (3-star)

WR (1):
Jeremy Gallon: #80 ATH, 77 rating (3-star)

One QB, Two OL, Two RB and One WR.

Three 4-stars left on the offensive roster.

2010 class still on the roster:

WR (5):
Devin Gardner: #5 QB, 4-star
Ricardo Miller: #27 WR, 4-star
Jeremy Jackson: #39 WR, 4-star
Jerald Robinson: #99 WR, 3-star
Drew Dileo: #137 ATH, 3-star

RB (1):
Stephen Hopkins: #50 RB, 3-star

There are No QB's and No OL left from this class (Christian Pace was the only one committed), only One RB left and he has moved to FB and there are three 4-stars left.

2011 class still on the roster:

QB (1):
Russell Bellomy: #35 QB, 3-star

RB (2):
Justice Hayes: #22 RB, 4-star
Thomas Rawls: #84 RB, 3-star

OL (2):
Jack Miller: #53 DT, 3-star
Chris Bryant: #37 OG, 3-star

One 4-star on the roster and No WR's.

So now let's sum all of that up. Between the 2008 and 2011 classes, which is 4 recruiting classes you have the following:

Two QB's. One 4-star and one 3-star. Two quarterbacks over four classes, and Bellomy was added late after Hoke got here.
SEVEN OL. TWO 4-stars. That's seven offensive linemen over four classes. To compare, there are 8 OL commits between the 2012 and 2013 class. There were TWO 4-star OL in these four classes, Michigan has double that amount in the 2013 class alone. One OL commit between these four classes (Barnum) was ranked in the top five at his position, however Lewan is an exception here obvs.
Six WR's. Two of the receivers were four-stars, one of them (Ricardo Miller) is nowhere to be found. Only two, including Miller were in the top 75 at their position.
Five RB's, one has moved to FB. Two 4-stars, none in the top 25 at the RB position.

That's outdated as well. Miller has left the team, but the point has been made. The team lacks talent right now, but Hoke is building it back up.

The recruiting from the RichRod to the Hoke era is seriously night and day. It's completely disturbing how badly RichRod could mess up Michigan recruiting.

He did bring in Mallett, Mike Martin, RVB, David Molk, and a handful of others, but I do agree that the last few years of the Carr era weren't on par with his earlier years.