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  • BNFrye51 said...

    More ignorance. Our oline is playing As good if not better than anyone right now. Keep dreaming folks. Urban is going to play hoak like a fiddle and not let up on the gas. 42-21 easy blowout win.

    I tend to agree with you about the Oline but we haven't faced an elite defensive line unless you consider PSU to have one which I don't. Its not Hoke that I am worried about its Mattison. While I don't consider M to have an elite defense they do play very sound and should match up pretty well with are offense. I think last year Mattison underestimated OSU passing attack who wouldnt I think we were 3rd worst in the country and played to much cover 0 / cover 1. Are offense is better this year but I also expect Ms defensive to have a better game plan.

    Huburt

  • Huburt said...

    Just curious but what makes you think they will be so bad? Have you seen them play this year ? We have 4/5 on the Oline returning next year.

    and adding D. Johnson (OT) Dawson (OG)

    I like when others think our OL is weak, it makes for a good game....they say our OL sucks, and then they get 300 yards rushing put on them....let 'em talk...

    RoboBuckeye

  • RoboBuckeye said...

    and adding D. Johnson (OT) Dawson (OG)

    I like when others think our OL is weak, it makes for a good game....they say our OL sucks, and then they get 300 yards rushing put on them....let 'em talk...

    I think we get Johnson but I think Dawson goes to MSU. Techs coach is a huge UM guy but his second priority is to have his players stay instate. With that said I think people forget we brought in 5 offensive lineman last year 3 of whom were 4 stars.

    This post was edited by Huburt on 11/8/2012 at 10:39 AM

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  • Huburt said...

    I tend to agree with you about the Oline but we haven't faced an elite defensive line unless you consider PSU to have one which I don't. Its not Hoke that I am worried about its Mattison. While I don't consider M to have an elite defense they do play very sound and should match up pretty well with are offense. I think last year Mattison underestimated OSU passing attack who wouldnt I think we were 3rd worst in the country and played to much cover 0 / cover 1. Are offense is better this year but I also expect Ms defensive to have a better game plan.

    That is exactly what happened in that game. Your offense will score, but we will put together some long running drives that keep our defense fresh which will help. It should be a fun game to watch. I say you score 24-28.

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    That is exactly what happened in that game. Your offense will score, but we will put together some long running drives that keep our defense fresh which will help. It should be a fun game to watch. I say you score 24-28.

    I think 24-28 points is pretty spot on although the BIG has been so crazzy this year who knows. I actually think are offense compares pretty well with NDs. A power Spread attack of course the one advantage we have is Braxton Miller is a much better runner than gualston (spelling).

    Huburt

  • Huburt said...

    I think 24-28 points is pretty spot on although the BIG has been so crazzy this year who knows. I actually think are offense compares pretty well with NDs. A power Spread attack of course the one advantage we have is Braxton Miller is a much better runner than gualston (spelling).

    Golson i believe. Well braxton, like Devin and denard, can open things up in a hurry. But if you watch that game we completely dominated that offense. Denard threw 6 picks to put them in tremendous field position every time. Mattison is a huge difference maker and probably the best adjustment guy in college football. He recognizes things quickly and generally corrects the issue. However, like I said, the three quarterbacks can change anything. One small crease can be an 80 used td.

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    Golson i believe. Well braxton, like Devin and denard, can open things up in a hurry. But if you watch that game we completely dominated that offense. Denard threw 6 picks to put them in tremendous field position every time. Mattison is a huge difference maker and probably the best adjustment guy in college football. He recognizes things quickly and generally corrects the issue. However, like I said, the three quarterbacks can change anything. One small crease can be an 80 used td.

    Its going to be scary once Mattison actually gets some elite talent on defense. 2 things I think M needs to do to win the game, tie or win the turnover battle and get pressure on Braxton If that happens M has a good chance. M needs to go after are put team every chance they get, are putter has a hard time getting hang time so the coaching staff has him doing this hop step thing to try and give time for are gunners to get down field. Urban has been stubborn despite having way to many punts blocked and refuses to change the game plan.

    Huburt

  • CMXI said...

    Given the state of the OSU OL over the next two years, it's a real possibility. Anyone's passing will suffer when they aren't getting any time to throw.

    After I complimented you on tBB the other day ... tisk tisk. OSU returns 4/5 OL starters next yea so unless something crazy happens OSU will be fine at OL in 2013 -- 2014 will probably see a lot of new starters on the OL.

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  • Huburt said...

    Its going to be scary once Mattison actually gets some elite talent on defense. 2 things I think M needs to do to win the game, tie or win the turnover battle and get pressure on Braxton If that happens M has a good chance. M needs to go after are put team every chance they get, are putter has a hard time getting hang time so the coaching staff has him doing this hop step thing to try and give time for are gunners to get down field. Urban has been stubborn despite having way to many punts blocked and refuses to change the game plan.

    Well I was unaware of the punting issues you guys are having, that's interesting. I guess in all honesty, I really just want to get through this weekend before I start worrying about osu.

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  • The line for the game against NW this weekend moved today from UM -11.5 to -9.5. The same thing happened last week just before the Minny game. This probably means the oddsmakers have heard from semi-reliable sources that Denard is unlikely to play.

    MrWoodson

  • RoboBuckeye said...

    Exactly what others have said about Hyde....although he has 740 yards rushing this year in just 6.5-7 games....boy that must be a lot of 2 yd line runs...lol...

    I think the emergence of Hyde has been huge for your Offense. I like how he hits the hole fast and with power. Best back in the BIG, in my opinion.

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  • wingerine66 said...

    I think the emergence of Hyde has been huge for your Offense. I like how he hits the hole fast and with power. Best back in the BIG, in my opinion.

    Agree. Not sure I would call him the best back in the league, but it's a very good development for OSU. It is similar to Toussaint emerging for us in the second half of last year. Defenses now have to gameplan and defend both Miller and Hyde.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    Agree. Not sure I would call him the best back in the league, but it's a very good development for OSU. It is similar to Toussaint emerging for us in the second half of last year. Defenses now have to gameplan and defend both Miller and Hyde.

    This,

    Miller makes Hyde considerately more dangerous. He gets opportunities Ball and Bell don't get because they have to focus on Miller. I actually think Rob Smith number 2 is are most talented back but he has issues holding on to the ball. You can really tell the difference between M fans who have actually watched OSU play this year I am sure that goes both ways with the fan bases. M fans that think we run the dickrod finesse spread will be surprised when we play. OSU plays power football just with some bells and whistles I really hope Urban continues to bring in Big backs.

    Huburt

  • Huburt said...

    This,

    Miller makes Hyde considerately more dangerous. He gets opportunities Ball and Bell don't get because they have to focus on Miller. I actually think Rob Smith number 2 is are most talented back but he has issues holding on to the ball. You can really tell the difference between M fans who have actually watched OSU play this year I am sure that goes both ways with the fan bases. M fans that think we run the dickrod finesse spread will be surprised when we play. OSU plays power football just with some bells and whistles I really hope Urban continues to bring in Big backs.

    Urban did the same thing at Florida without having big backs. I watched quite a few Florida games when Urban was the coach and he would run his smaller backs right up the middle in more power type plays. Throw in Tebow running the ball as well and Florida was not a finesse team at all. I think you will see the same thing at OSU.

    I was hoping Borges would do more the same with Michigan's offense this year. So sick of seeing the stretch read option play where Fitz runs east and west.

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    Urban did the same thing at Florida without having big backs. I watched quite a few Florida games when Urban was the coach and he would run his smaller backs right up the middle in more power type plays. Throw in Tebow running the ball as well and Florida was not a finesse team at all. I think you will see the same thing at OSU.

    I was hoping Borges would do more the same with Michigan's offense this year. So sick of seeing the stretch read option play where Fitz runs east and west.

    I just cant wait till we get a true flanker in the program that's the missing piece in my opinion. I have to ask because it makes me a little nervous, what are the theories behind Dnard not progressing as a passer? It almost seems like he got worse from his sophomore season. I ask because I am nervous the same could happen to Miller, Although I do like Millers throwing motion and trajectory better.

    Huburt

  • Huburt said...

    I just cant wait till we get a true flanker in the program that's the missing piece in my opinion. I have to ask because it makes me a little nervous, what are the theories behind Dnard not progressing as a passer? It almost seems like he got worse from his sophomore season. I ask because I am nervous the same could happen to Miller, Although I do like Millers throwing motion and trajectory better.

    I think it's a couple things. First we stopped throwing as many bubble screens and those types of easy passes. Second, I think Denard is trying to hard to show he is capable of being a pocket passer. He is so hesitant to take off and run that he instead forces a pass that isn't there. Last i think Borges is asking Denard to do some things he doesn't do well. Such as a lot of playfakes and throwing on the run.

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  • wingerine66 said...

    I think the emergence of Hyde has been huge for your Offense. I like how he hits the hole fast and with power. Best back in the BIG, in my opinion.

    WHAT? Best back in Big 10? Not better than Ball, Abdullah, James White, or Leveon Bell. He's solid, but not in the discussion for best back.

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  • Huburt said...

    I just cant wait till we get a true flanker in the program that's the missing piece in my opinion. I have to ask because it makes me a little nervous, what are the theories behind Dnard not progressing as a passer? It almost seems like he got worse from his sophomore season. I ask because I am nervous the same could happen to Miller, Although I do like Millers throwing motion and trajectory better.

    I agree with you on the flankers. Just looking at your last couple recruiting classes, I don't see them. You have some smaller guys 6'0-6'1 ish, but it looks very similar to the direction we went in with RR. We recruited great slot guys and hybrid RB/WR guys, but we didn't have any true elite WRs. It hurts.

    As for why Denard regressed as a passer, a big part of it was taking him out of the spread. Borges is running a hybrid, but his heart isn't in it. He is making due until he can fully implement his version of the West Coast offense. IMO Braxton Miller is not likely to regress the way Denard did, but I wouldn't expect him to get much better either. He is what he is.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    I agree with you on the flankers. Just looking at your last couple recruiting classes, I don't see them. You have some smaller guys 6'0-6'1 ish, but it looks very similar to the direction we went in with RR. We recruited great slot guys and hybrid RB/WR guys, but we didn't have any true elite WRs. It hurts.

    As for why Denard regressed as a passer, a big part of it was taking him out of the spread. Borges is running a hybrid, but his heart isn't in it. He is making due until he can fully implement his version of the West Coast offense. IMO Braxton Miller is not likely to regress the way Denard did, but I wouldn't expect him to get much better either. He is what he is.

    Totally agree

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  • Moon said...

    Totally agree

    And FWIW, Hubert, you are welcome here anytime. And feel free to bring over any sane and rational buckeyes with you. You are a breath of fresh air compared to the crazies we usually get.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    And FWIW, Hubert, you are welcome here anytime. And feel free to bring over any sane and rational buckeyes with you. You are a breath of fresh air compared to the crazies we usually get.

    Thanks,

    I am probably a little different then most OSU fans. A good portion of my family went to UM and have season tickets at the Big House. I have actually been to more games in AA then Cbus. The game is a big deal in my family on both sides so I get to see and hear the Michigan side of things. I am also grateful to all my family members for all the free tickets I have gotten through out the years. With that said trust me I can be a dick especially on game day but I would rather have a good conversation and get good info then just get into a pissing match with M fans. With how things are shaking out the BIG and especially OSU cant afford for UM to be weak. Beating a bad UM team doesn't help OSU and the same can be said for UM in regards to beating a bad OSU team.

    Huburt

  • Moon said...

    WHAT? Best back in Big 10? Not better than Ball, Abdullah, James White, or Leveon Bell. He's solid, but not in the discussion for best back.

    I think Hyde is better than Adbullah and White, Although I agree Ball and Bell are better IMO

    Huburt

  • Moon said...

    WHAT? Best back in Big 10? Not better than Ball, Abdullah, James White, or Leveon Bell. He's solid, but not in the discussion for best back.

    You act shocked. Probably should watch BIG TEN football a little more closely and you wont need to use CAPS.

    Hyde leads all running backs in touchdowns in BIG games.
    Hyde is the only back of all those you listed to have over 130 yards in 3 different BIG games.
    Of all those backs you listed Ball is the only one to have a higher YPC 5.3....Hydes is 5.2

    Most definately in the discussion.

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  • Huburt said...

    I think Hyde is better than Adbullah and White, Although I agree Ball and Bell are better IMO

    Bell is averaging 3.8 yards a carry in BIG games. Hes not breaking tackles at the line of scrimmage like last year.

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  • wingerine66 said...

    Bell is averaging 3.8 yards a carry in BIG games. Hes not breaking tackles at the line of scrimmage like last year.

    Bell is overrated. He's big but way too slow. He's more like a FB than a RB.

    MrWoodson