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Reeves is getting Plan B in order

  • buttesnake said...

    Reeves article

    Great article. And I sort of feel bad that PSU is losing all of its best recruits, but we were after him way before the scandal broke. It's not like we are just a vulture swooping in the pick over the carcass.

    MrWoodson ●

  • I think it simply depends on who PSU hires as HC. Rumors are it's done, but I haven't heard a name yet.

    Reeves did want to visit OSU with Camren Williams, but I think that as the title suggests, it's simply Plan B's for both of them.

    I do worry about Reeves if his recruiter, Bill Kenney, ends up leaving PSU. If the new HC is a good enough hire, I do think they'll stick around. When the scandal stuff first broke, Reeves explicitly stated that if Kenney stayed, he's a solid PSU commit, but if Kenney leaves he'd open back up. However, after Tom Bradley and Bill Kenney visited Reeves/Williams, Armani indicated that he was sold on the school and that both coaches encouraged him to stick even if they weren't there.

    So in the end, just depends on what coach Penn State hires. JMO.

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  • psubills62 said...

    I think it simply depends on who PSU hires as HC. Rumors are it's done, but I haven't heard a name yet.

    Reeves did want to visit OSU with Camren Williams, but I think that as the title suggests, it's simply Plan B's for both of them.

    I do worry about Reeves if his recruiter, Bill Kenney, ends up leaving PSU. If the new HC is a good enough hire, I do think they'll stick around. When the scandal stuff first broke, Reeves explicitly stated that if Kenney stayed, he's a solid PSU commit, but if Kenney leaves he'd open back up. However, after Tom Bradley and Bill Kenney visited Reeves/Williams, Armani indicated that he was sold on the school and that both coaches encouraged him to stick even if they weren't there.

    So in the end, just depends on what coach Penn State hires. JMO.

    Look, I'm not trying to pile on or flame, and I have always loved JoePa, but no way is anyone from the current coaching staff being retained. PSU had two choices. One was circle the wagons and try to weather things. The other was to decide, for PR and legal reasons, to clean house and start over. They have clearly chosen the latter (and probably were right to do so). But you don't clean house and start over and keep some of the coaching staff. That makes no sense. My question is where will LJ end up? Whoever gets him is getting the best recruiter in the NE. I wish we had room on our staff.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 12/16/2011 at 11:31 AM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Look, I'm not trying to pile on or flame, and I have always loved JoePa, but no way is anyone from the current coaching staff being retained. PSU had two choices. One was circle the wagons and try to weather things. The other was to decide for PR and legal reasons to clean house and start over. They have clearly chosen the latter (and probably were right to do so). But you don't clean house and start over and keep some of the coaching staff. That makes no sense. My question is where will LJ end up? Whoever gets him is getting the best recruiter in the NE. I wish we had room on our staff.

    I don't see Kenney staying on, but I think LJ has a shot, depending on who the next HC is. I don't believe that anyone is going to be telling the next hire who can be on his staff. If he wants to keep some of the guys, he will.

    Maybe it's just me, but I find it odd when people suggest that PSU keeping any of the staff would be a PR nightmare, but apparently it's fine for other programs to hire them. If they're tainted, they're tainted. If not, then it's not a PR problem either way. Seems to me that if any other staff members had any knowledge of the Sandusky situation, it would have come out by now. JMO..

    I still think the chances of LJ staying on are low, but I don't think they're nil. As you said, he's a fantastic recruiter and wherever he ends up will be getting a great coach. I'd be absolutely pissed if he went to OSU.

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  • psubills62 said...
    I still think the chances of LJ staying on are low, but I don't think they're nil. As you said, he's a fantastic recruiter and wherever he ends up will be getting a great coach. I'd be absolutely pissed if he went to OSU.

    OSU does need a Dline coach!

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  • I really hope PSU recovers. But I simply cannot see any of the coaching staff being retained. Draining the swamp and all. That said, nothing says the new staff can't convince Reeves et. al. to stick around.

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  • psubills62 said...

    I don't see Kenney staying on, but I think LJ has a shot, depending on who the next HC is. I don't believe that anyone is going to be telling the next hire who can be on his staff. If he wants to keep some of the guys, he will.

    Maybe it's just me, but I find it odd when people suggest that PSU keeping any of the staff would be a PR nightmare, but apparently it's fine for other programs to hire them. If they're tainted, they're tainted. If not, then it's not a PR problem either way. Seems to me that if any other staff members had any knowledge of the Sandusky situation, it would have come out by now. JMO..

    I still think the chances of LJ staying on are low, but I don't think they're nil. As you said, he's a fantastic recruiter and wherever he ends up will be getting a great coach. I'd be absolutely pissed if he went to OSU.

    I absolutely disagree. Whoever is hired, the BOTs is going to have a lot of say on what he does and doesn't do. I highly doubt he is going to be given a free hand to retain any coaches he wants.

    Edit: Also, I think all of the current coaches are going to have some difficulty finding new jobs for awhile, especially certain ones (see McQueary). Have any of them left for new jobs yet?

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 12/16/2011 at 11:45 AM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I absolutely disagree. Whoever is hired, the BOTs is going to have a lot of say on what he does and doesn't do. I highly doubt he is going to be given a free hand to retain any coaches he wants.

    That's fine. Agree to disagree.

    As neoavatara said, a new staff can convince Reeves to stay anyway. My original post stated that Reeves seemed more sold on the school now than just his one recruiter, Kenney, so whether he stays or goes shouldn't make as much of a difference.

    I simply think it depends on who PSU hires. If it's a good hire, Reeves and Williams will both stay on. If not, they'll go separate ways, one to OSU and one to Michigan. I personally think the former will happen, but you never know.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Edit: Also, I think all of the current coaches are going to have some difficulty finding new jobs for awhile, especially certain ones (see McQueary). Have any of them left for new jobs yet?

    None of them have left yet, mainly because they're still coaching the bowl game (January 2nd). LJ is the only one I've heard that has job offers (from OSU and Maryland).

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  • psubills62 said...

    That's fine. Agree to disagree.

    As neoavatara said, a new staff can convince Reeves to stay anyway. My original post stated that Reeves seemed more sold on the school now than just his one recruiter, Kenney, so whether he stays or goes shouldn't make as much of a difference.

    I simply think it depends on who PSU hires. If it's a good hire, Reeves and Williams will both stay on. If not, they'll go separate ways, one to OSU and one to Michigan. I personally think the former will happen, but you never know.

    I didn't say anything about whether Reeves will stay or go, and I agree that you have a good chance at keeping him depending on who you hire as HC. I just don't think many (any?) of the current staff will be retained. I would think that the two that PSU might want to retain the most are Tom Bradly and Larry Johnson, but in the end I think they will be tossed out with everyone else as part of a total housecleaning.

    MrWoodson ●

  • psubills62 said...

    That's fine. Agree to disagree.

    As neoavatara said, a new staff can convince Reeves to stay anyway. My original post stated that Reeves seemed more sold on the school now than just his one recruiter, Kenney, so whether he stays or goes shouldn't make as much of a difference.

    I simply think it depends on who PSU hires. If it's a good hire, Reeves and Williams will both stay on. If not, they'll go separate ways, one to OSU and one to Michigan. I personally think the former will happen, but you never know.

    A good hire doesn't ensure they will stay. If it's a "good hire" and Reeves hates the guy he will split. I think it's safe to say, if Reeves likes the new coach and gets along with him, he will be going to Penn State.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I didn't say anything about whether Reeves will stay or go, and I agree that you have a good chance at keeping him depending on who you hire as HC. I just don't think many (any?) of the current staff will be retained. I would think that the two that PSU might want to retain the most are Tom Bradly and Larry Johnson, but in the end I think they will be tossed out with everyone else as part of a total housecleaning.

    I know. I'm just trying not to get the thread off topic. If you want to talk further about the staff, feel free to PM me or something.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    A good hire doesn't ensure they will stay. If it's a "good hire" and Reeves hates the guy he will split. I think it's safe to say, if Reeves likes the new coach and gets along with him, he will be going to Penn State.

    Obviously there's a lot more to being a coach than just getting along with one recruit...but if he can't get along with Reeves, then it doesn't seem like it's a very good hire. JMO. A good hire will keep the current commits intact and be able to sway some decent recruits our way.

    Sorry if my statements were too definite. Didn't mean to start anything. I just think it would be very rare to have a good head coaching hire who then can't get along with our top commit.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Obviously there's a lot more to being a coach than just getting along with one recruit...but if he can't get along with Reeves, then it doesn't seem like it's a very good hire. JMO. A good hire will keep the current commits intact and be able to sway some decent recruits our way.

    Sorry if my statements were too definite. Didn't mean to start anything. I just think it would be very rare to have a good head coaching hire who then can't get along with our top commit.

    Just from experience last year, Hoke lost some good guys (Zettel, Fisher) who in any other year would have been Blue. He didn't really sway many guys either last year, most of the guys he got were after thoughts. It's not out of the realm of possibility Reeves just decides going into the drama at PSU isn't worth it, just like Zettel last year. Although Zettel must be regretting his decision now.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Just from experience last year, Hoke lost some good guys (Zettel, Fisher) who in any other year would have been Blue. He didn't really sway many guys either last year, most of the guys he got were after thoughts. It's not out of the realm of possibility Reeves just decides going into the drama at PSU isn't worth it, just like Zettel last year. Although Zettel must be regretting his decision now.

    Don't know who Fisher is, but Reeves is already committed and has been for a while, so it's a little different from Zettel. And IIRC, Zettel was a HUGE surprise even to PSU people. Everyone thought MSU vs. UM battle there. Reeves is already technically sold on PSU, just need to sell him on the coaching staff.

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  • PSUBills...who are the candidates?Is it Dan Mullen?

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    RicoX19

  • RicoX19 said...

    PSUBills...who are the candidates?Is it Dan Mullen?

    At this point, your guess is probably as good as mine. Names have been thrown around, but it's hard to take many of them seriously. As I said, rumors indicate that they've got their guy. But it's almost certainly a preliminary deal and they're going to wait until January 3rd or so to announce it. Not sure why, but we'll probably know when they do.

    I will say that technically the only interviews we know about are Jay Paterno (courtesy interview), Tom Bradley, and possibly Tom Clements (QB coach for Packers).

    Anyway, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about PSU's HC search, and I'll do what I can to answer them.

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    psubills62

  • For what it's worth, I think your coaching search is very pertinent to this thread.

    buttesnake

  • buttesnake said...

    For what it's worth, I think your coaching search is very pertinent to this thread.

    Fair enough. Like I said though, there's really no solid information.

    The only semi-confirmed rumor (i.e. rumor from more than one source) is that the guy has already been "hired" and that it's a great hire. Our insider (Sean Fitz) still hasn't been able to pin down a name, which is saying something because he's very solid with information. The information just isn't out there, which is hard to believe in the twitter era. Joyner and Ira Lubert (the two guys who also spearheaded the hiring of Cael Sanderson, wrestling coach, from his alma mater with a $5m bonus) have been in charge and they apparently have things on lockdown.

    That said, there's enough shaky rumors to fill a barge over on our board. It's easy to fill a thread with them, which is why I was hesitant to discuss it much.

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    psubills62

  • I think I'll go over there and tell them that I've heard Kerry Collins and Kijana Carter are coming back to takle over and Lavarr Arrington will be Def Coord

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    RicoX19

  • RicoX19 said...

    I think I'll go over there and tell them that I've heard Kerry Collins and Kijana Carter are coming back to takle over and Lavarr Arrington will be Def Coord

    I hear it's Matt Millen and Pam Ward.

    MrWoodson ●

  • psubills62 said...

    Fair enough. Like I said though, there's really no solid information.

    The only semi-confirmed rumor (i.e. rumor from more than one source) is that the guy has already been "hired" and that it's a great hire. Our insider (Sean Fitz) still hasn't been able to pin down a name, which is saying something because he's very solid with information. The information just isn't out there, which is hard to believe in the twitter era. Joyner and Ira Lubert (the two guys who also spearheaded the hiring of Cael Sanderson, wrestling coach, from his alma mater with a $5m bonus) have been in charge and they apparently have things on lockdown.

    That said, there's enough shaky rumors to fill a barge over on our board. It's easy to fill a thread with them, which is why I was hesitant to discuss it much.

    Well good luck, I hope it is a home run hire. With Wiscy grasping at straws named Dayne Crist for their QB next year, I really don't want to see PSU have a down hear too and make it too easy on Meyer to get more momentum.

    Also think it was a couple of people who made a huge error and should pay the price, but the rest of the school, fans, and team shouldn't have to pay for their mistakes.

    I am surprised they'd wait until the 3rd, though, because they are spinning with negative press and you'd think even if the new coach was in a bowl game they wold want to take over ASAP to get recruits solidified.

    Dizzo

  • Dizzo said...

    Well good luck, I hope it is a home run hire. With Wiscy grasping at straws named Dayne Crist for their QB next year, I really don't want to see PSU have a down hear too and make it too easy on Meyer to get more momentum.

    Also think it was a couple of people who made a huge error and should pay the price, but the rest of the school, fans, and team shouldn't have to pay for their mistakes.

    I am surprised they'd wait until the 3rd, though, because they are spinning with negative press and you'd think even if the new coach was in a bowl game they wold want to take over ASAP to get recruits solidified.

    Thanks! Your thoughts are very much appreciated. And yeah, I think we can both agree that we'd love to see Meyer slowed down.

    I can get on board with that last paragraph. There are tons of PSU fans wanting to get this recruiting class solidified. If that is indeed when they announce it, I think there will be some legitimate reason attached to it - at least, I hope so.

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  • http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7367243/baylor-bears-brian-norwood-candidate-coach-penn-state-nittany-lions-hawaii-warriors

    If this is who PSU hires i think we get Armani Reeves. Also a key thing with Armani was that PSU have a coach before Christmas and they still don't have one

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7367243/baylor-bears-brian-norwood-candidate-coach-penn-state-nittany-lions-hawaii-warriors

    If this is who PSU hires i think we get Armani Reeves. Also a key thing with Armani was that PSU have a coach before Christmas and they still don't have one

    What about this coach makes you think we sway Reeves?

    buttesnake

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