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That's crap. You are including inflated stats against teams like IU and Miami(OH) and Cal. Wisky held OSU to 14 points in regulation (1 offensive TD and one punt return for a TD). MSU held OSU to 17 points total. Hell, even Purdue held them to 22 points in regulation and Purdue's defense stinks. Carlos Hyde basically had a career day against us yesterday and that is a major reason why we lost. His rushing yardage is the equivalent of what Lacy and Yeldon rushed for against us combined in the Bama game. Sorry, but the D doesn't get a pass because they held OSU a couple of times to FGs. They also allowed three TDs. Take away even one of those TDs and we win the game.

The OSU defensive stats also include the games against bad offenses thus it's not "inflated" at all in the sense you mean. Just for the record, OSU's biggest offensive output occurred vs. Nebraska, the team we couldn't even score a touchdown on (with all our starters in the 1st half as well).

Of course I expected us to hold OSU to less than 38 points, but given that OSU's D was considered soft by most and they missed their best defensive player, you'd expect to score more on them than the other teams they've played.

We can also bring in another metric here - Mattison's D held OSU to two field goals in the 2nd half. Borges's offense scored 0 points in the 2nd half. Adjustments?

By the way, if you really try to argue that Mattison hasn't outperformed Borges by miles then maybe football isn't really the sport for you either.

And if the final score was Michigan 42 OSU 40, I would sing Borges' praises all day long with you. But it didn't, in combination of first and second half we held OSU to a respectably low score while ourselves scoring less than you would expect. The D tightened up and gave us a shot to win, just like they did vs. ND and heck they refused to surrender against Nebraska for ages as well. In all those instances the offense failed to step up when necessary.

If you can't see that then I am wasting my time here. Nobody says Mattison's D was *perfect* but it was the best damn thing about this team.

No one is knocking Mattison. But you don't get to ignore poor defensive play in the first half because the defense played well in the second. And there is absolutely no excuse for Carlos Hyde rushing for 146 yards against us. He didn't do that to Cal or UCF or Purdue or virtually anyone this year. What you are doing in saying we lost simply because Borges made poor halftime adjustments would be like me saying we lost because Mattison did not have his guys properly prepared coming into the game. It's an oversimplification of what happened and why we failed to win. A game is four quarters, not two, and there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the ball if you look at the entire game and not just one half of it.

It's pretty simple really...the OSU O-Line manhandled UM's front 7. So yes, there is an excuse for Hyde rushing for 146.

Ehh, the defense wasn't completely without fault. The tackling was shaky at times and the corners struggled with getting off blocks. Not to mention the occasional lapse in zone coverage. But overall, yes the defense did it's job.

Last time I checked, Al Borges wasn't in charge of our DL or our LBs.

I'm not going to deal with the rest of this post, but when has Borges lost to inferior talent while at Michigan?

Guys, well-played game. Just wanted to say that many of us feel that Mattison is a class guy and seems to be doing a lot. This is not a troll post or anything, but before The Game, many of us discussed the fact that Hoke doesn't wear a headset. I'm puzzled as to why that is. I understand delegating offense and defense, but it seems (to an observer) that he is having no input at all. At first I was surprised to see some of the sentiments from UM fans, but I guess I do understand them. Would Mattison be a better HC?

Watching the game, I continually was baffled when UM ran up the middle when they needed crucial 3rd down conversions. While OSU's defense has been up and down this year, the running game up the middle of the field has been shut down almost entirely. Michigan seemed to run at-will on either end and as I said, I was stunned they didn't choose to run to either end with Denard when the 1st down was desperately needed. How do UM fans feel about those calls? I haven't seen every game of yours this season, although Ive seen many, but I was dreading the UM offense would continually run the plays to the corners, as we seemed to get torched all day there. Just surprised.

I guarantee you Coach Hoke doesn't care what it looks like to you. And I'm pretty sure no one on this board does either.

Urban Meyer is using players that were not recruited for his scheme either. The result in his "1st" year...12-0. We were lucky at times, I know, but to make excuses for the results of 4 losses when you are the school up north is disappointing. Your team and my team are supposed to be the heavy weights of our conference. Demand that of your coach as we did/do. 8-4 would still of got Fick replaced. Also your assistant coaches are superior to what we had last year, so 8-4 is unacceptable to me and I root for "Ohio". Good game on Saturday and see you in your house next year.