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One final look at the 2012 class

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WillyWolverine said...
I can't wait for news to start coming out from fall camp. I am so interested to hear what the coaches have to say about Willie Henry. I can't believe that kid is up to 302 pounds already. I hope it is good weight.

I was really surprised to see his weight too! Think he could end up being a very good one.
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Who wants to talk about the receiving corps? This thread has been great, so we may as well discuss more intriguing position battles.
Do you think Roundtree steps up? Gallon is awesome, but we still need a Hemingway-esque guy on the outside. Can this be Roundtree? Jerald Robinson will hopefully surprise a lot of people and could be that new big bodied WR. Amara Darboh and Jehu Chesson have both been talked about a lot as guys who can come in and make an impact early, so that'd be awesome.
Will Ricardo Miller stay at TE or convert to be a big, slow(ish) WR?
As for the TEs, how much can Brandon Moore and walk-on Mike Kwiatkowski (our only veterans besides converted LB Jordan Paskorz) contribute? Or will we really have to rely on freshmen?
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Mitch Again said...
This has been a great thread. It's rare to go 4 pages deep and not veer off topic. In addition, it's making me more than pumped for this season to start. Some opinions of mine on this class:
O - I'm most excited about Norfleet. I'm not sure he'll have a much of an impact on offense this season, but it would not surprise me either way. His three following years, I expect huge things out of him. I still can't get over his highlight tape. With a pro-style offense on the way, he's the epitome of a match-up problem for opposing defenses.
I expect Kalis to start in nearly/if not all games this year. He continues to get rave reviews and the fact that he's physically ready to start immediately is a phenomenal bonus. The sky is the limit for him on the line. I am also extremely high on our remaining linemen, but I don't expect to see them on the field much this year so I'll save some space in this post.
Jehu Chesson is my biggest "sleeper" in this class. I think he is extremely underrated as a 3* on this site. He has legitimate 4.4 speed (as in not 4.45), has good height, and a solid pair of hands. If he is able to run crisp routes, he is the type of receiver who can take any defensive lapse and turn it into a TD.
D - I'm most excited about Pipkins. IMO, you might as well call his floor a ceiling. He has a size/speed/agility combination you cannot teach, and an attitude that will not allow for failure. He will be great off the field too, which is something I value when looking at recruits more than most. T-Rich needs to bulk up ASAP. Until that happens he won't come close to seeing the field. 154 (right?) is tiny, plain and simple. Jarrod Wilson is going to be a ballhawking STUD. That is all I have to say about him. Bolden will be a reliable linebacker his first year or two and I see him as our leading tackler by the time he's an upperclassman. I like all of our DE's, but will withhold judgment at this point in time. I do not know how they will pan out and that is not meant to be negative.
All in all, this class could not be more perfect for filling the void RR left us regarding a pro-style attack/suffocating D. I'm amped.

Nice post. +1
I am with you on Norfleet. I am hoping and praying that in the future Borges uses Norfleet in a Darren Sproles type of way.
I love hearing other people being so high on Chesson because i love Darboh. I think that kid has a chance at being really really good. Hopefully, they both turn out to be outstanding players for Michigan.
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kylebennett7127 said...
We saw Wilson getting trucked in the spring game. Some guys have the ability to play as freshman and some do not. While Wilson has superb coverage ability he will be a liability in run support. Correct reads have little to zero to do with anything. I like you, are high on Gordon this year.

Gordon really played well last year, If he takes another step forward this year he'll be a very good FS.
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O - I'm most excited about Norfleet. I'm not sure he'll have a much of an impact on offense this season, but it would not surprise me either way. His three following years, I expect huge things out of him. I still can't get over his highlight tape. With a pro-style offense on the way, he's the epitome of a match-up problem for opposing defenses.

I agree about Norfleet. He'll be a great KR/PR option this year, and then he'll be able to step up as an awesome third down back to take over for Smith when he graduates. He even seems to have that gritty, tough quality that makes Smith so awesome.
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Gordon really played well last year, If he takes another step forward this year he'll be a very good FS.

He played the run and pass equally. He isn't great but this year he can take another step forward and be a very good player. So I agree
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Ducksworth said...
Who wants to talk about the receiving corps? This thread has been great, so we may as well discuss more intriguing position battles.
Do you think Roundtree steps up? Gallon is awesome, but we still need a Hemingway-esque guy on the outside. Can this be Roundtree? Jerald Robinson will hopefully surprise a lot of people and could be that new big bodied WR. Amara Darboh and Jehu Chesson have both been talked about a lot as guys who can come in and make an impact early, so that'd be awesome.
Will Ricardo Miller stay at TE or convert to be a big, slow(ish) WR?
As for the TEs, how much can Brandon Moore and walk-on Mike Kwiatkowski (our only veterans besides converted LB Jordan Paskorz) contribute? Or will we really have to rely on freshmen?

I am not that concerned about the WR position. I think Roundtree and Gallon will provide a solid 1, 2 punch. Who steps up as that 3rd or 4th option at WR is another question all together in my opinion. Many options but we really need a guy or 2 to step up.
I was really hoping Miller would make his way as a solid option at TE but who knows. That is the one postion i feel we are really really weak at. I don't see anyway that Williams doesn't see the field at TE. Would love for Funchess to be able to redshirt but unless Miller can give us a big body TE/WR, I feel like Funchess will have to fill that role.
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Ducksworth said...
Who wants to talk about the receiving corps? This thread has been great, so we may as well discuss more intriguing position battles.
Do you think Roundtree steps up? Gallon is awesome, but we still need a Hemingway-esque guy on the outside. Can this be Roundtree? Jerald Robinson will hopefully surprise a lot of people and could be that new big bodied WR. Amara Darboh and Jehu Chesson have both been talked about a lot as guys who can come in and make an impact early, so that'd be awesome.
Will Ricardo Miller stay at TE or convert to be a big, slow(ish) WR?
As for the TEs, how much can Brandon Moore and walk-on Mike Kwiatkowski (our only veterans besides converted LB Jordan Paskorz) contribute? Or will we really have to rely on freshmen?

gona be a very interesting position to watch this year. I am really hoping Roundtree will step up a be the guy, he definetly has the ability to be a game changer. Word on Robinson has been mostly positive, he's got nice size and all kinds of talent, I expect him to be a major contributot this year. Also expect a good year from Gallon out of the slot, he's smaller than what the coaches prefer but he's got great hands and speed. Seems likely atleast one of the freshman contribute, hard to say now, could depend on whether Darboh's shoulder is fully healed.
Miller has been moved back to WR, He'll be a big possession type receiver most likely. I expect to see alot of the freshman TE's, Williams for blocking and Funchess as a receiver. Moore will likely contribute atleast some, unsure about Kwiatowski or Paskorz.
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Ducksworth said...
Who wants to talk about the receiving corps? This thread has been great, so we may as well discuss more intriguing position battles.
Do you think Roundtree steps up? Gallon is awesome, but we still need a Hemingway-esque guy on the outside. Can this be Roundtree? Jerald Robinson will hopefully surprise a lot of people and could be that new big bodied WR. Amara Darboh and Jehu Chesson have both been talked about a lot as guys who can come in and make an impact early, so that'd be awesome.
Will Ricardo Miller stay at TE or convert to be a big, slow(ish) WR?
As for the TEs, how much can Brandon Moore and walk-on Mike Kwiatkowski (our only veterans besides converted LB Jordan Paskorz) contribute? Or will we really have to rely on freshmen?

All I can say is idk. Ricardo has been an all around dissappointment. Moore I think can have an impact but Williams may be relied upon in the run game.
Darboh or chesson should be given the opportunity but gallon is just a tough little shit. He really can make tough catches.
I think dileo will get a few chances as well.
But all in all the defense is much easier to project. The offense will need all of fall to figure out some of these battles. It's going to be fun to see who steps up.
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Ducksworth said...
Who wants to talk about the receiving corps? This thread has been great, so we may as well discuss more intriguing position battles.
Do you think Roundtree steps up? Gallon is awesome, but we still need a Hemingway-esque guy on the outside. Can this be Roundtree? Jerald Robinson will hopefully surprise a lot of people and could be that new big bodied WR. Amara Darboh and Jehu Chesson have both been talked about a lot as guys who can come in and make an impact early, so that'd be awesome.
Will Ricardo Miller stay at TE or convert to be a big, slow(ish) WR?
As for the TEs, how much can Brandon Moore and walk-on Mike Kwiatkowski (our only veterans besides converted LB Jordan Paskorz) contribute? Or will we really have to rely on freshmen?

I too expect Roundtree to step up. I don't think that guy from his sophomore year has gone anywhere. Gallon will still be consistent and from there I really think it will be a committee type thing. The same way that last year Odoms might step up and have a good game, or Grady, or Dileo who is a guy that should be in this conversation as well. But the guy I'm most excited to see at the WR position is Gardner. It's now been confirmed he will see time there and I have no idea what his hands are like or if he can run routes well but he's a big body at 6'4" and a hell of an athlete. Northwestern had success using Colter in this kind of situation as backup QB and wideout so I'm hoping for the same thing.
But really I think the biggest factor when it comes to the WR's is will they get the balls in the right spot consistently. I think the progression of Denard in his second year under Borges will be more important than who's catching it.
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Ducksworth said...
Heitzman will back up Roh, he's had an awesome offseason.
Also, the coaches started Roh at WDE last year, so it's not that unreasonable to assume that Strobel could see PT.
I completely agree about Biggs though, he could easily beat out Brandin Hawthorne for the backup WILL spot if he comes in as good as he's been projected. His size (6'1 225) isn't as much of a worry as we had thought (Morgan is 6'1 230)

I pray that Ross can redshift this year. I want a two year separation between him and Morgan. I think and hope Hawthorne can be a fine fill in player.
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WillyWolverine said...
Man there is no need to act like we know nothing about football.

Thank u Willy for saying this!
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LEXwolverine1 said...
I pray that Ross can redshift this year. I want a two year separation between him and Morgan. I think and hope Hawthorne can be a fine fill in player.

If Ross can be better by his sophomore season with a little game experience his freshman year I would take that. Don't you want the better players on the field?
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Ducksworth said...
Who wants to talk about the receiving corps? This thread has been great, so we may as well discuss more intriguing position battles.
Do you think Roundtree steps up? Gallon is awesome, but we still need a Hemingway-esque guy on the outside. Can this be Roundtree? Jerald Robinson will hopefully surprise a lot of people and could be that new big bodied WR. Amara Darboh and Jehu Chesson have both been talked about a lot as guys who can come in and make an impact early, so that'd be awesome.
Will Ricardo Miller stay at TE or convert to be a big, slow(ish) WR?
As for the TEs, how much can Brandon Moore and walk-on Mike Kwiatkowski (our only veterans besides converted LB Jordan Paskorz) contribute? Or will we really have to rely on freshmen?

Roundtree steps up. Gallon will be good. And we have three players over 6'2" that could step in and be BIG impact players for that 3rd WR spot:
Darboh
Chesson
and yes...Gardner
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kylebennett7127 said...
Early word was done for the year. But ill look into it for everyone

I heard he was done as well. Didn't he tear his bicep?
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LEXwolverine1 said...
Off of hs tapes roh is more athletic. Roh was labeled a WDE and weighted less the Strobel. Like I said before and duck said, I would rather see Jake come down and play Cam at SAM

perhaps Jake comes down on 3rd downs but on 1st and 2nd, Ryan would start at Sam so who would you put at WDE if Beyer needs a breather? Thats where Strobel enters the picture
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LEXwolverine1 said...
Thank u Willy for saying this!

Great let's applaud people posting without working football knowledge. It's one thing when people are trying to Learn and participate in a good football discussion. It's another when certain people interject speculation without a clue or reason and don't listen. I learn all the time, I leaned something from luger the other day. People should try it. Ducksworth and I had the same opinion and said why we were saying something. May some point there has to be evidence behind your opinion. I don't know everything, and when I don't, I listen to the people I believe do

This post was edited by kylebennett7127 on 8/4/2012 at 1:43 PM
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kylebennett7127 said...
If Ross can be better by his sophomore season with a little game experience his freshman year I would take that. Don't you want the better players on the field?

Ofcourse I want the best players on the field, but if Hawthorne is just as good as Ross then use Hawthorne. I'm a big believer in redshirting if it's possible. I wish RR had been as well.
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Coaches have been raving about Oje in smaller circles since they first arrived.... Loved his tape and frame for the rush end... Hawthorne is a backup at both WILL and MIKE but the coaches have really been pushing for him to move to MIKE... They don't care about what his weight says, they think he packs enough punch to play there... I trust this info that has been passed along... They are prob the best insiders I have been around.
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Ofcourse I want the best players on the field, but if Hawthorne is just as good as Ross then use Hawthorne. I'm a big believer in redshirting if it's possible. I wish RR had been as well.

Well I think its always better to redshirt. And very soon with the way we have been recruiting, we should have the depth to do it. But as of right now their is a talent deficiency. I like Morgan and he did a great job, but Ross should be faster, more instinctive in reading plays and better in coverage without being less of a run stopper. I'll put him in now to split time, we have more guys coming in to redshirt after.
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kylebennett7127 said...
Coming from the guy who said our offense line is getting smaller and more athletic under hoke!

I don't see them going to 330 lb linemen. I'm sticking by that until I see otherwise.
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Because he'll have played two full years at WILL in the Big Ten and it's not an easy transition. He doesn't really have the ideal body type for a MIKE. He's instinctive, which makes up for his lack of athleticism (kind of like Kovacs, but not as awesome).
Joe Bolden is much more of the "QB of the defense" type than Morgan. He calls plays, has the most ridiculous play recognition I've seen in a while from a Michigan LBer, and has awesome sideline to sideline agility. Read any scouting report of him and they endlessly praise his ability to recognize plays, audible the defense, and know where the ball will be. The UA Game coaches were drooling over him because of that.

Morgan has starting experience, Bolden has no way shown any of those things on the college level yet.
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I heard he was done as well. Didn't he tear his bicep?

Yes it looks like he is done for most if not all of the season.
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kylebennett7127 said...
Great let's applaud people posting without working football knowledge. It's one thing when people are trying to Learn and participate in a good football discussion. It's another when certain people interject speculation without a clue or reason and don't listen. I learn all the time, I leaned something from luger the other day. People should try it. Ducksworth and I had the same opinion and said why we were saying something.

I posted this because I thought u were directing not having football knowledge at me when I said roh came in at WDE and was lighter then Strobel. I just thought it was rude but I saw as I was reading u apologized later in the thread. I had already posted this though so sorry. I believe I was talking football knowledge. Weight does matter, if it didn't then safeties could be 300. I know it's much more completed then just that but weight is a fundamental part of a position. Being around football and playing it all the way through college weight for me, really mattered as well. Your a great poster JKyle and I really enjoy your postings. Wasn't trying to start an arguement.

This post was edited by LEXwolverine1 on 8/4/2012 at 1:56 PM
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I posted this because I thought u were directing not having football knowledge at me when I said roh came in at WDE and was lighter then Strobel. I just thought it was rude but I saw as I was reading u apologized later in the thread. I had already posted this though so sorry. I believe I was talking football knowledge. Weight does matter, if it didn't then safeties could be 300. I know it's much more completed then just that but weight is a fundamental part of a position. Being around football and playing it all the way through college weight for me, really mattered as well. Your a great poster JKyle and I really enjoy your postings. Wasn't trying to start an arguement.

No lex I was not talking in reference to you at all.
I wasnt referring to your post. And its clear on a fundamental level that weight has a lot to do with position. It was meant for less seasoned posters who believe if you weigh 260 you are automatically set for position A. And if tou weigh290 then you are predetermined to play position B. It's been an ongoing discussion on a few threads. I'm just dispelling that theory. There is so much more that go into who plays where.
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