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I'm biased but I'll take a healthy Rose.

At this particular moment in time I think it has to be Rondo.

Paul has always been overrated IMO. It's like people say he's the best PG enough time and it becomes true.

THANK YOU! Anyone who still watches them knows that's not the case. KG was a beast last year and Paul Pierce's game might legitimately get better with age. He never beat anyone with speed and quickness to begin with.

Watch out for my Celtics this season, the Spurs of the East.

Scal for president!

Quick funny story about him. In the 07-08 season, the year Boston won it all, I saw the Celtics play in Memphis. The Grizzlies were awful, and the Celtics blew them out. By the end of the game, most of the fans left were Celtic fans, and we all worked our way down close to the Boston bench. Someone started the Scal-a-brin-e chant, and it got really loud.

Suddenly, Doc stands up and motions at him to go in. Scal stands up, turns around and faces the crowd, and just stands there for like 5 seconds as a dramatic pause. He has this super evil look on his face, then yanks off his warmups, and the crowd goes nuts. It was one of those things where you had to be there to fully appreciate it, but it was hilarious.

I don't think Pierce or Garnett are washed up. They've both definitely lost a step, but still played at a high level this past season (and Pierce was playing on an injured knee in the playoffs). Hopefully the bottom doesn't fall out on either one this year, but I don't think it will.

One thing to keep in mind about Rondo is that he does benefit from his teammates when it comes to his assist totals. But IMO, he's capable of being a much more consistent scorer, but he understands that that's not his role as long as those guys are in town. So his scoring totals could be much more impressive if that had been his role.

Also, a lot of Boston's offense revolved around setting screens for Ray Allen. When it worked, it was a thing of beauty, but it began working less and less. I think that definitely hampered Rondo's ability to make plays. We'll see if there's a noticeable difference now that Ray is gone.

I didn't realize that Michmania was such a big Irving fan. He might have even more confidence in Irving that I do in Irving.

I'm glad that Michmania posted Irving's splits in the final minutes of the game. This is an underrated part of Irving's game.

People began to notice that Irving had a knack for taking over in the 4th quarter of games after 3 quarters of trying to create for his teammates. But this habit is not new. I've followed his career since he was at St. Patrick's HS (under Coach Boyle) and I can still clearly remember the nationally televised game against Findlay Prep. Irving single-handedly brought his HS team back from a double digit deficit in the 4th quarter when he decided to attack the rim on every possession rather than create scoring opportunities for others.

I really think Irving will be (as Coach Boyle said) "The best PG to ever come out of NJ." That means better than Bobby Hurley Jr, Jason Williams, and Dajuan Wagner. The first two had their NBA careers derailed by accidents.

My PG's assuming 100% healthy.

1a. CP3
1b. Rose
3a. Rondo
3b. Deron
3c. Westbrook

But like others have said, it depends what you want in a PG. Paul, Deron, and others are better passers than Westbrook, but Westbrook is probably #1 in terms of athleticism and overall defense. Rondo isn't a good/great shooter like a Steve Nash, but he Rondo is probably the #1 PG (maybe #1 G) in the league in terms of rebounding. CP3 gets the edge for me due to his all around game (good running an offense, great passer, good shooter from anywhere, solid/good defender - especially passing lanes, solid/good rebounder) and consistency.

I watch like every Celtics game, and I respectfully disagree with this. Paul is getting judged for last year which was an anomaly. Started out of nowhere with basically no training camp, he started off hurt and never shook the injuries. He also didn't have a viable option behind him at the 3 last season. I think he'll bounce back this year though. He still creates the shots for himself that he always has his whole career he just shot at a lower percentage last year.

I'll admit I'm so biased when it comes to this subject but I think he still has it. Reference the picture in my banner if you disagree

James didn't lead the Cavs over the Pistons until the 2006-07 season, which was his fourth in the league. And he didn't even make the playoffs until his third year in the league. That wasn't all his fault, but I do think it prevented him from establishing himself as an all-time great at that point, at least in my opinion.

Irving's stats during crunch time as a rookie were outstanding. Not knocking that at all. But I do think crunch time in the NBA or Conference Finals is a whole different beast than crunch time in the regular season. Rondo has gotten it done in those situations. Irving will have his opportunity to do the same at some point, but he hasn't yet, and there's nothing wrong with that. That's all I'm saying.

COLD BLOODED

And check out this insane GIF of Irving executing a ridiculous sequence of moves (spin move, between the legs, crossover, pull-up 3) earlier this season.

He makes a future HOFer in Jason Kidd look silly.

To be fair Jason Kidd is almost 70 years old.

He's certainly one of the oldest players in the league but he has aged well (along with Grant Hill who is currently with the Clippers). He is still known for his defense and his passing. Keep in mind that this is the same Jason Kidd who was able to defend Lebron James in key moments of the the 2011 NBA Finals.

But I'm confident that sequence of moves would've made most NBA players look silly.

Irving just has this innate ability to smoothly string together various moves. Look at what he did to some members of Team USA in the summer scrimmages. Most of those guys are still in their prime.

He looks like Datsyuk on that last play/move where he dribles between the legs and bounces it of his leg as a self pass