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a2brutus said...
yes, i think the um oline will be better then osu"s...
our senior starters are ok, will be better then last yr (which is still good)...
lewan is an all american, and you have some experience coming back, as a unit that trumps the osu seniors...
why does everyone think meyer's o lines will be bad? soph's this yr elfein, dodson and decker and frosh lisle and gardner are nice start for the future not to mention who we recruit this yr...
if miller and hyde can rush for 2100 yds and go 12-0 behind an average line then i'll take it everyday.
This post was edited by Peterklima on 2/7/2013 at 10:24 PM
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a2brutus said...
the difference between rr and meyer is that meyer is going after some big guys (oline and rb)...rr seemed to want to play bb on turf, but not all spread teams are the same...oregon is much different then urban's read option...
he has not focused on oline just yet because he needed to get d linemen and lb's...and thank goodness he did, because we lost hankins, simon, williams, and boren, but now have washington, spence, schutt, pittman etc...to step in...
he recruited dunn (well at least closed on him) and elliot as big, between the tackle backs and used hyde quite efficiently last yr (970 yes on few carries)...
he is already recruiting trout hard and will try to take about 4-5 o linemen this cycle...
the same can be said of hokes classes, just because he has loaded up on o linemen the last 2 seasons doesnt mean he wont now focus on playmakers...
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a2brutus said...
some are good some not sure (need to see them play)...
like i said, our oline did a pretty good job last season when everyone thought they would suck...nobody knows about recruits, yours, ours or anybody's...
our lone senior starter from last yr (fragel) was moved from te to tackle and will be most likely drafted (thats a pretty good job developing a player)...speaking of, did any of your senior olinemen get invited to the nfl combine?
last i saw it was only denard...
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a2brutus said...
some are good some not sure (need to see them play)...
like i said, our oline did a pretty good job last season when everyone thought they would suck...nobody knows about recruits, yours, ours or anybody's...
our lone senior starter from last yr (fragel) was moved from te to tackle and will be most likely drafted (thats a pretty good job developing a player)...speaking of, did any of your senior olinemen get invited to the nfl combine?
last i saw it was only denard...
This post was edited by Peterklima on 2/8/2013 at 2:39 PM
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a2brutus said...
based on right now;
offense:
braxton>gardner
hyde,smith,hall>fitz,green,rawls
osu receivers>um receivers
um oline>osu oline (lewan makes this in your favor)...
defense:
dline's a push
lb's a push
osu secondary>um secondary
for now, looks like osu has um on paper, however, homefield goes to um (worth the proverbial 3 points) and it is a huge emotional game (for both teams)
forgot the coaches,
osu's oc and meyer>borges
mattison>fickell (by alot)
osu wins another close one 26-17
This post was edited by ryanrago on 2/8/2013 at 3:29 PM
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ryanrago said...
I actually disagree with both of these: Braxton>Gardner & Hyde, Smith, Hall>Fitz, Green, Rawls. I think both of these position groups are about even. In my opinion, Gardner both is and will be a better overall quarterback than Braxton. Braxton is the better runner; Garner is the better passer. However, by the time we play in November, I think Gardner will be more complete. I am probably in the minority here, but I think our offense is going to be way better without Denard at quarterback. We will no longer be one dimensional, and therefore we will finally be able to move the ball against good defenses, as you saw against South Carolina.
The running backs are about even as well. First, no one needs three running backs. If you are consistently rotating three in during the course of a game, it is probably because you lack a high end tailback on your roster. So we can trim the list to Fitz/Green vs. two of Hyde, Smith, and Hall. Once we do that, the skill level is pretty much the same. People are stupid and unbelievably impulsive. Fitz was great as a sophomore. Then his numbers go way down because he was running behind one of the worst Olines I have ever seen at Michigan, and all of a sudden people think he isn't good. Fitz is just as good as anyone OSU will field next year. If the Oline is better, he will prove it to everyone. Add to that Green, a consensus five star, and we are pretty even.
If you're in the minority, I'm right there with you.
Our offense being exciting does not equate to it being better. There were times our offense was completely stagnant when it mattered most, and that was almost always when we relied on Denard as a passer. I'm glad we wont have so much in-game inconsistency anymore.
I will miss Denard though.
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JStan12 said...
This is why it's not even fair to compare the two in a head to head "who's better?" situation. Both have different skill sets and play in what should be completely different systems by next year. I think Gardner is similar to Russell Wilson, in that he is smart, accurate, and has the ability to run when needed to be able to march his offense down the field with poise and a balanced attack. Whereas Braxton is going to run by design and keep defenses spying and then throw (hopefully accurately) to a WR that breaks through the secondary. Who's the better prototypical QB? Gardner. Who's more electric and can keep plays alive and break 60 yard runs? Braxton. Who helps the team win more games? They both should be putting their teams in great positions next year. Braxton's already shown that, and, while he was a little shakey last season at times (possibly due to playcalling?), I expect a big growth from Mr. Gardner next season and playing at a high level.
They play the same position, but that's about where the comparisons end. It's like arguing who's the better Point Guard? Trey Burke or Aaron Craft, yeah it's the same position, but what they are asked to do for their team is very different.
Burke is way better than Craft. You need a better comparison.
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This is why it's not even fair to compare the two in a head to head "who's better?" situation. Both have different skill sets and play in what should be completely different systems by next year. I think Gardner is similar to Russell Wilson, in that he is smart, accurate, and has the ability to run when needed to be able to march his offense down the field with poise and a balanced attack. Whereas Braxton is going to run by design and keep defenses spying and then throw (hopefully accurately) to a WR that breaks through the secondary. Who's the better prototypical QB? Gardner. Who's more electric and can keep plays alive and break 60 yard runs? Braxton. Who helps the team win more games? They both should be putting their teams in great positions next year. Braxton's already shown that, and, while he was a little shakey last season at times (possibly due to playcalling?), I expect a big growth from Mr. Gardner next season and playing at a high level.
They play the same position, but that's about where the comparisons end. It's like arguing who's the better Point Guard? Trey Burke or Aaron Craft, yeah it's the same position, but what they are asked to do for their team is very different.
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