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Non-commitable Offers

  • What's the story on non-commitable offers? Does this phenomenon only happen when a commitable offer becomes non-commitable due to the position being filled or are there situations when an offer is non-commitable at the beginning?

    Also, is it known to the general public whether an offer is commitable or not?

    YuanT

  • Technically, "Non-Commitable Offer" should really be called "A Contingency Offer" Usually these go out to kids who are on the fence grade-wise. A coach will say "We'll offer you a scholarship but before we take your commitment, you'll have to prove that you have the grades/test scores to qualify."

    Now, we did have a kid last year who had an offer and ALLEGEDLY tried to commit to Michigan but the coaches told him to slow his role (Tommy Schutt, I think). In that scenario, the coaches had Pipkins on the hook and were just waiting for his commitment. They didn't want to jeopardize it by taking Schutt. That happens all the time,. Teams send out anywhere from 50 to 100 offers. They eventually have to tell SOMEONE there's no more room.

    This post was edited by Due51 on 2/5/2012 at 8:38 AM

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  • Due51 said...

    Technically, "Non-Commitable Offer" should really be called "A Contingency Offer" Usually these go out to kids who are on the fence grade-wise. A coach will say "We'll offer you a scholarship but before we take your commitment, you'll have to prove that you have the grades/test scores to qualify."

    Now, we did have a kid last year who had an offer and ALLEGEDLY tried to commit to Michigan but the coaches told him to slow his role (Tommy Schutt, I think). In that scenario, the coaches had Pipkins on the hook and were just waiting for his commitment. They didn't want to jeopardize it by taking Schutt. That happens all the time,. Teams send out anywhere from 50 to 100 offers. They eventually have to tell SOMEONE there's no more room.

    It was Se'von Pittman

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  • Due51 said...

    Technically, "Non-Commitable Offer" should really be called "A Contingency Offer" Usually these go out to kids who are on the fence grade-wise. A coach will say "We'll offer you a scholarship but before we take your commitment, you'll have to prove that you have the grades/test scores to qualify."

    Now, we did have a kid last year who had an offer and ALLEGEDLY tried to commit to Michigan but the coaches told him to slow his role (Tommy Schutt, I think). In that scenario, the coaches had Pipkins on the hook and were just waiting for his commitment. They didn't want to jeopardize it by taking Schutt. That happens all the time,. Teams send out anywhere from 50 to 100 offers. They eventually have to tell SOMEONE there's no more room.

    Schutt never tried to commit, he just tried to set up a visit (twice), which would've led to him committing.

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  • Pittman was the guy who tried to commit to ND then us and was turned away? Huh. I thought it was someone else.

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  • Due51 said...

    Pittman was the guy who tried to commit to ND then us and was turned away? Huh. I thought it was someone else.

    No Se'von tried to commit to just us and we told him to hold off because of grades and then he jumped to MSU to hold a spot. Tommy Schutt tried to commit to ND but was turned away because they were full on DTs then he tried to visit Michigan so he could commit.

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  • Due51 said...

    Technically, "Non-Commitable Offer" should really be called "A Contingency Offer" Usually these go out to kids who are on the fence grade-wise. A coach will say "We'll offer you a scholarship but before we take your commitment, you'll have to prove that you have the grades/test scores to qualify."

    Now, we did have a kid last year who had an offer and ALLEGEDLY tried to commit to Michigan but the coaches told him to slow his role (Tommy Schutt, I think). In that scenario, the coaches had Pipkins on the hook and were just waiting for his commitment. They didn't want to jeopardize it by taking Schutt. That happens all the time,. Teams send out anywhere from 50 to 100 offers. They eventually have to tell SOMEONE there's no more room.

    Aren't all offers contingency offers though? I mean even if a kid looks to be academically qualified early, things could change later right? If a kid committed and then got expelled from HS (a la Yuri Wright), wouldn't that be grounds to pull the scholarship?

    As for your second paragraph, I am assuming that in this scenario, grades were not an issue. Why make the offer then? From the recruit's perspective, I think it might be worse to get an offer and be told that he can't use it yet than to just hear that we're interested but not ready to offer yet. To me it's not really an offer if you can't accept it whenever you want. It seems disingenuous.

    YuanT

  • maize&blue21 said...

    No Se'von tried to commit to just us and we told him to hold off because of grades and then he jumped to MSU to hold a spot. Tommy Schutt tried to commit to ND but was turned away because they were full on DTs then he tried to visit Michigan so he could commit.

    Ok. that's what I thought. It was Schutt I was thinking of. Tried to visit to commit = tried to commit

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  • YuanT said...

    Aren't all offers contingency offers though? I mean even if a kid looks to be academically qualified early, things could change later right? If a kid committed and then got expelled from HS (a la Yuri Wright), wouldn't that be grounds to pull the scholarship?

    As for your second paragraph, I am assuming that in this scenario, grades were not an issue. Why make the offer then? From the recruit's perspective, I think it might be worse to get an offer and be told that he can't use it yet than to just hear that we're interested but not ready to offer yet. To me it's not really an offer if you can't accept it whenever you want. It seems disingenuous.

    I suppose you could say that all offers are contingent, but if a kid has carried a steady grade point and already has a passing ACT score, the coaches can assume the kid will at least maintain his GPA. The closer a kid gets to the minimum (I know they monitor that) the more the contingency becomes relevant.

    RE: your second question - as I mentioned, the coaches send out 50 to 100 offers a year, knowing there's only room for 20-28. Once the class starts filling up, they have to start picking and choosing. When Schutt wanted to visit, the coaches probably knew Pipkins was going to commit. When Pittman tried to commit, the coaches either A) knew he was just trying to find a safe haven until the OSU thing worked itself out or B) he had grade issues (which I'm not sure how that's possible because both MSU and OSU took the commit right away).

    This post was edited by Due51 on 2/5/2012 at 10:14 AM

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  • Due51 said...

    Once the class starts filling up, they have to start picking and choosing. When Schutt wanted to visit, the coaches probably knew Pipkins was going to commit. When Pittman tried to commit, the coaches either A) knew he was just trying to find a safe haven until the OSU thing worked itself out or B) he had grade issues (which I'm not sure how that's possible because both MSU and OSU took the commit right away).

    If Pipkins was already a silent commit, then I have no problem turning Schutt away because the position was filled. If Pipkins was still undecided, then to me it's like we offered Schutt before we were willing to accept his commitment. Isn't that kinda the flip side of a recruit committing but still looking around? If we're going to say that we wouldn't consider that a commitment, shouldn't we also say that if we're still waiting on better recruits, then we didn't really offer the worse ones?

    YuanT

  • YuanT said...

    If Pipkins was already a silent commit, then I have no problem turning Schutt away because the position was filled. If Pipkins was still undecided, then to me it's like we offered Schutt before we were willing to accept his commitment. Isn't that kinda the flip side of a recruit committing but still looking around? If we're going to say that we wouldn't consider that a commitment, shouldn't we also say that if we're still waiting on better recruits, then we didn't really offer the worse ones?

    I think all these questions clearly illustrate that none of us truly know what's going on with recruiting. There are literally thousands of conversations going on between recruits and coaches and the answers lie in those conversations.

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