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My postgame thoughts on Michigan-Purdue

  • Ducksworth said...

    Also, one of my main takeaways from the game is that Jeremy Gallon should not be returning punts. I'd prefer Norfleet or Drew Dileo. Gallon does nothing.

    Gallon doesn't do much but he never has any room to wiggle away. The reason he returns punts and you will continue to see him do so is because he never drops the ball. Never. The coaches want ball security more than an additional 5 yards per return and that is what Gallon provides.

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  • Mitch Again said...

    Gallon doesn't do much but he never has any room to wiggle away. The reason he returns punts and you will continue to see him do so is because he never drops the ball. Never. The coaches want ball security more than an additional 5 yards per return and that is what Gallon provides.

    Meh still would rather see Dileo return punts.

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  • Mitch Again said...

    Gallon doesn't do much but he never has any room to wiggle away. The reason he returns punts and you will continue to see him do so is because he never drops the ball. Never. The coaches want ball security more than an additional 5 yards per return and that is what Gallon provides.

    I GOTTA AGREE. We can all say what We want or who we would rather have. But as I was watching the game yesterday that exact thought came into my head. He is safe and the coaches want consistency with that. I don't blame them but at some point you have to see what else you have. Dileo it seems , would have great hands with wiggle but would make the smart play.

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  • Todd Worly said...

    The offense is definitely improving, but I thought it was more a case of Nebraska's defense not being very good last night. I think Wisconsin and Penn State will both play better defensively against the Buckeyes.

    And like you said, the defense isn't overly impressive by any means at this point.

    This morning a lot of sites like espn and big ten network have osu as the far and away darling of the conference. What games have they watched? I saw two bad defenses play yesterday. I haven't seen osu play an all around good game once this hear. Nebraska for handled by ucla. The teams IMPROVING weekly are Michigan and penn state.

    Good though, they will fall hard when they do. I just want to win against msu and worry about them later.

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  • Mitch Again said...

    Gallon doesn't do much but he never has any room to wiggle away. The reason he returns punts and you will continue to see him do so is because he never drops the ball. Never. The coaches want ball security more than an additional 5 yards per return and that is what Gallon provides.

    Didn't he muff a punt yesterday? Which takes away the one thing he's good at IYO.

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    This morning a lot of sites like espn and big ten network have osu as the far and away darling of the conference. What games have they watched? I saw two bad defenses play yesterday. I haven't seen osu play an all around good game once this hear. Nebraska for handled by ucla. The teams IMPROVING weekly are Michigan and penn state.

    Good though, they will fall hard when they do. I just want to win against msu and worry about them later.

    I just ranted in the 2012 season thread before reading this. This is exactly how I feel. I have watched every OSU game this year and think they are decent to good, not even close to top-10. With all things in life, time will tell.

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  • Well, that's what I was talking about in the thread about OOC scheduling. Ohio State isn't actually *that* good but their schedule aligns to give them a good shot at being undefeated.

    @Indiana
    Purdue
    @PSU
    Illinois
    @Wisconsin
    Michigan

    Indiana, Purdue, Illinois should be gimme wins and that gives them 9 wins. Penn State might be trickier than I originally thought but still perfectly doable. Wisconsin is worse than most people thought ahead of the year and is very winnable. We are the best team left probably and I don't think OSU is really better than us but I think they aren't much worse than us either and they can take us in Columbus.

    Maybe the only positive to come from having two losses already and our flaws being mercilessly exposed in those games is that we are a bit under the radar here and we might actually be a bit underrated at the moment.

    UMSkeletor

  • Mitch Again said...

    Gallon doesn't do much but he never has any room to wiggle away. The reason he returns punts and you will continue to see him do so is because he never drops the ball. Never. The coaches want ball security more than an additional 5 yards per return and that is what Gallon provides.

    Didn't he drop one saturday? Just saying

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  • UMSkeletor said...

    Well, that's what I was talking about in the thread about OOC scheduling. Ohio State isn't actually *that* good but their schedule aligns to give them a good shot at being undefeated.

    @Indiana Purdue @PSU Illinois @Wisconsin Michigan

    Indiana, Purdue, Illinois should be gimme wins and that gives them 9 wins. Penn State might be trickier than I originally thought but still perfectly doable. Wisconsin is worse than most people thought ahead of the year and is very winnable. We are the best team left probably and I don't think OSU is really better than us but I think they aren't much worse than us either and they can take us in Columbus.

    Maybe the only positive to come from having two losses already and our flaws being mercilessly exposed in those games is that we are a bit under the radar here and we might actually be a bit underrated at the moment.

    And I definitely prefer being underrated at the moment. Hopefully with playing a couple tough opponents to open the season lets the team work on the things they were exposed at.

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  • Joester16 said...

    And I definitely prefer being underrated at the moment. Hopefully with playing a couple tough opponents to open the season lets the team work on the things they were exposed at.

    yeah, after bama it was B10 or bust, so I really don't care about ranking or being picked on gameday. Improve every week, take each game one at a time and work towards Indy. After that let the chips fall where they may. I said 8-4 prior to the season and that seems very achievable right now.

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  • UMSkeletor said...

    Well, that's what I was talking about in the thread about OOC scheduling. Ohio State isn't actually *that* good but their schedule aligns to give them a good shot at being undefeated.

    @Indiana Purdue @PSU Illinois @Wisconsin Michigan

    Indiana, Purdue, Illinois should be gimme wins and that gives them 9 wins. Penn State might be trickier than I originally thought but still perfectly doable. Wisconsin is worse than most people thought ahead of the year and is very winnable. We are the best team left probably and I don't think OSU is really better than us but I think they aren't much worse than us either and they can take us in Columbus.

    Maybe the only positive to come from having two losses already and our flaws being mercilessly exposed in those games is that we are a bit under the radar here and we might actually be a bit underrated at the moment.

    I think we are head and shoulders above OSU at this point. We've faced two of the best defenses in the country and moved the ball on one of them and on the other....well we've done more than anyone else thus far. We are battle tested and I think you guys will see this when we plays these Big 10 teams. We've already seen the best so UM knows what it takes to be the best. Like everyone, I wanted to go undefeated but I think those might be 2 of the best losses I could imagine. The Bama game has taught our Defense how to play hard nosed football, and the Notre Dame game taught our Offense and coaches a lesson on how to use Denard Robinson. I think UM is hitting their stride on both sides of the ball and I like what I see...even against ND I liked what I saw except for the TO's. I think we dominate the rest of the schedule which will set up a showdown in the 'shoe'. OSU will prolly be ranked in the top 10 and by attrition we'll prolly be around #15 again. I'm confident now that MSU and Nebraska have early losses in the division that we get the nod to go to Indy to play Wisky. If you sit there and say OSU is a top 15 team...you better look at it again. Their Defense is getting shredded every week and their whole offense is Braxton Miller. With all the carries he's gettin'.... I don't even know if he'll be healthy for "The Game". He is taking way too many hits, and as UM fans know.... there aren't too many Colin Kleins or Tim Tebows out there. Rose Bowl is within our grasp.

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  • corby78 said...

    yeah, after bama it was B10 or bust, so I really don't care about ranking or being picked on gameday. Improve every week, take each game one at a time and work towards Indy. After that let the chips fall where they may. I said 8-4 prior to the season and that seems very achievable right now.

    I was around the 8-4/9-3 type season prior to the opening game. It still seems like a very achievable goal like you said. I think at the end of the year, this team will play better than last years team, but could still have 1 or 2 more losses than last year.

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  • Todd Worly said...

    It definitely could end up that way. However, I'm still not sold on OSU this year. I think Wisconsin and Penn State will both give them a run for their money.

    I'm not sold on OSU this year either, but the only teams that I think will give them trouble are PSU and UM for the rest of the year. I don't see Wisconsin beating them because UW's offense is just aweful. They're last in the Big Ten in total offense for a reason. If they couldn't move the ball against Nebraska's terrible defense, they won't be able to against OSU.

    Anyway, I just can't see a team with the 10th best defense in the crappy Big Ten (only ahead of Indiana and NW) being a top-10 team. The offense is good, but geez that defense is bad. But who's going to stop them in the Big Ten? The conference is just terrible this year. They kind of remind me of the 2010 UM team, except this Ohio State team is not going to play three BCS teams, nor three teams that will win 11 games this year like UM did in 2010. There's just no one except PSU and UM that could possibly expose them. And even then who knows exactly how good PSU is? Because they beat Illinois, the worst team in the Big Ten and NW with their terrible, terrible defense? Ohio State played no one in the non-conference and the Big Ten is terrible, terrible, terrible (can you tell I think the Big Ten is terrible?)

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  • Mitch Again said...

    I just ranted in the 2012 season thread before reading this. This is exactly how I feel. I have watched every OSU game this year and think they are decent to good, not even close to top-10. With all things in life, time will tell.

    agreed, its more them taking advantage of weak competition than them really being that good.

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    I agee about Nebraska's D not being very good last year. I was more speaking about Miller getting more comfortable with the offense and the WRs/TEs starting to make more plays for OSU.

    True, they're definitely taking steps forward. I honestly don't think Miller is accurate enough to consistently beat you throwing the ball. He may not have to, because he's an unbelievable athlete. But the more Ohio State is forced to throw, the more likely he is to make a costly turnover. And the more Miller runs with the ball, the more likely he is to get a little banged up, which could affect their offensive gameplan later in the season.

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  • Hoke Express said...

    agreed, its more them taking advantage of weak competition than them really being that good.

    Whatever happens on the field will let us know.

    SDWolverine

  • kylebennett7127 said...

    This morning a lot of sites like espn and big ten network have osu as the far and away darling of the conference. What games have they watched? I saw two bad defenses play yesterday. I haven't seen osu play an all around good game once this hear. Nebraska for handled by ucla. The teams IMPROVING weekly are Michigan and penn state.

    Good though, they will fall hard when they do. I just want to win against msu and worry about them later.

    I agree all around with you here.

    Some observations I've made of the sports media in general are that 1) perception is reality; 2) a lot of them have barely even watched the teams they're commenting on; 3) a lot of them have no idea what they're talking about.

    Jim Tressel was arguably the best Ohio State coach in history, yet based on the media, you would think that Meyer is the greatest coach of all time while Tressel was a complete failure. Again, refer back to my three points above.

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  • MercuryHayes said...

    I'm not sold on OSU this year either, but the only teams that I think will give them trouble are PSU and UM for the rest of the year. I don't see Wisconsin beating them because UW's offense is just aweful. They're last in the Big Ten in total offense for a reason. If they couldn't move the ball against Nebraska's terrible defense, they won't be able to against OSU.

    Anyway, I just can't see a team with the 10th best defense in the crappy Big Ten (only ahead of Indiana and NW) being a top-10 team. The offense is good, but geez that defense is bad. But who's going to stop them in the Big Ten? The conference is just terrible this year. They kind of remind me of the 2010 UM team, except this Ohio State team is not going to play three BCS teams, nor three teams that will win 11 games this year like UM did in 2010. There's just no one except PSU and UM that could possibly expose them. And even then who knows exactly how good PSU is? Because they beat Illinois, the worst team in the Big Ten and NW with their terrible, terrible defense? Ohio State played no one in the non-conference and the Big Ten is terrible, terrible, terrible (can you tell I think the Big Ten is terrible?)

    Great points all around here. I do think Wisconsin is taking steps in the right direction, though. They always play the Buckeyes tough, especially in Madison.

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    This morning a lot of sites like espn and big ten network have osu as the far and away darling of the conference. What games have they watched? I saw two bad defenses play yesterday. I haven't seen osu play an all around good game once this hear. Nebraska for handled by ucla. The teams IMPROVING weekly are Michigan and penn state.

    Good though, they will fall hard when they do. I just want to win against msu and worry about them later.

    ESPN is a hack, of course they are going to show love to OSU. Their pretty boy Meijer is coaching there

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  • sircharles11 said...

    ESPN is a hack, of course they are going to show love to OSU. Their pretty boy Meijer is coaching there

    Don't drag the name of a fine store into this, the OSU coach is called Meyer!

    UMSkeletor

  • UMSkeletor said...

    Don't drag the name of a fine store into this, the OSU coach is called Meyer!

    Or Urban................ biggrin

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  • UMSkeletor said...

    Don't drag the name of a fine store into this, the OSU coach is called Meyer!

    No kidding, I love meijer all we have in my crap hole town in oky is wally world.

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  • UMSkeletor said...

    Don't drag the name of a fine store into this, the OSU coach is called Meyer!

    You didn't know? That's his part time job whenever his "heart issues" force him to leave football. Part ownership .

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  • sircharles11 said...

    You didn't know? That's his part time job whenever his "heart issues" force him to leave football. Part ownership .

    lol

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  • Moon said...

    I think we are head and shoulders above OSU at this point. We've faced two of the best defenses in the country and moved the ball on one of them and on the other....well we've done more than anyone else thus far. We are battle tested and I think you guys will see this when we plays these Big 10 teams. We've already seen the best so UM knows what it takes to be the best. Like everyone, I wanted to go undefeated but I think those might be 2 of the best losses I could imagine. The Bama game has taught our Defense how to play hard nosed football, and the Notre Dame game taught our Offense and coaches a lesson on how to use Denard Robinson. I think UM is hitting their stride on both sides of the ball and I like what I see...even against ND I liked what I saw except for the TO's. I think we dominate the rest of the schedule which will set up a showdown in the 'shoe'. OSU will prolly be ranked in the top 10 and by attrition we'll prolly be around #15 again. I'm confident now that MSU and Nebraska have early losses in the division that we get the nod to go to Indy to play Wisky. If you sit there and say OSU is a top 15 team...you better look at it again. Their Defense is getting shredded every week and their whole offense is Braxton Miller. With all the carries he's gettin'.... I don't even know if he'll be healthy for "The Game". He is taking way too many hits, and as UM fans know.... there aren't too many Colin Kleins or Tim Tebows out there. Rose Bowl is within our grasp.

    -Our whole offense is Denard, so whats the point if their whole offense is Braxton?
    -The ND game was a terrible loss, but I agree that it finally taught Borges that Denard needs to be run first
    -I watched a post game video on ESPN of the midwest and Ohio nation reporters, and they were talking about how explosive the offense was scoring 60+ points and they havent scratched the surface. First of all, the offense is formidable, but 14 of the points were from special teams/defense, so lets not go overboard. And Nebraska scored nearly 40 points, that should be disconcerting for their D.

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