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Luger said...
Floyd hasn't been consistent, Gordon was in and out of the FS position last yr, Countess shows promise but we still have to see it. Only given is Kovacs, but his strength is run support. Then who plays in the two deep that you trust? Are folks forgetting how against Ohio our secondary was torched on big plays, whether completed for TDs or not? In the sugar bowl, our back 5 couldn't get the D of the field as Vtech completed 3rd&long over n over again? Let's not be naive, until our secondary shows me something, I can't be that optimistic to say they are anywhere near a B.
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Luger said...
Yes!! I'm confused, Who would you use as a barometer if not the best team? Why measure yourself against an average team, or above average team and get inconclusive results. Thats like measuring yourself on a scale thats not calibrated, you won't get the real result. They are the barometer right now because they set the bar as being the best, and based on how well we do against them should tell us how far we got to go to also be considered the best.
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xxmgobluexx said...
I see your points, but I disagree with downplaying the accomplishments of the DBs.
Michigan had the 16th ranked pass defense in the nation last year, at 190.5 ypg. Michigan gave up only 12 TDS through the air, with 9 INTs. In conference play only, Michigan had the 5th ranked pass defense giving up 185.2 ypg, while giving up 8 TDs and having 4 INTs. The only loss from the back 7 was an injury prone Woolfolk, and a backup in Talbott. Numbers alone and what little they lost compared to last year, that doesn't sound like an average defensive backfield coming back.
JT Floyd was tasked with lining up with the top WR game in and game out, these included NFLer Floyd, Cunningham, McNutt, Jenkins... He held his own, with 10 PBUs, one off of tying for the conference lead.
As I stated, Floyd is a 5th year senior, and he now has the advantage that everyone of the DBs have for the first time in their career, having the same defense as the previous years. Mattison has talked about how last fall it was like talking a foreign language to the defense compared to guys knowing where to be and why this fall.
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Do you not understand a grading scale? A = excellent C = Average F = Failure. If you compare results only against Elite you are bound to be below it. If we played Bama every game would we win even 1 or 2? That's not how it works. Again I am not saying they are elite or an A. They are better then average. Prove otherwise. It cannot be done logically.
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your points are valid, don't get me wrong but your points are why I agree with Clint. Clint rated the secondary as a C which is average, all I'm saying is what I saw on the field last yr its hard for me to say we deserve a B coming into this yr until we see that. Your stats are impressive on paper, but again was our schedule murderer's row? Interesting you bring up Floyd, yes lined up against Floyd who then got 159 receiving yards. ND passed for 315 that game, they drove the field on us in the final 2 mins very easily and scored on like 4 plays. Again you like the others are speaking in terms of potential by mentioning Floyd as a 5th yr senior and having an advantage. We still have to see it on the field this yr, thats why I can't argue against a C grade.
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I think you are not following your own logic. You are supposed to compare results against the elite, thats why you have a grading scale. I never said you said our secondary was elite. You said our secondary was better than average correct? My point was if we measured that "better than average" secondary against the two bad games we had last yr in ohio and vtech (who were arguably the most talented teams we faced), our secondary looked average. When we go against bama, if our secondary is average we will look average because if bama is great/elite, we will look average, how is that hard to understand? If we went against northen illinois I'm sure our secondary would look elite, thats why you measure yourself against the best so you can have a true idea of where you stand...get it?
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I guess, what I saw on film was the 16th ranked defense for yards passing against and the 7th ranked defense for TDs given up. I didn't see an C or average defensive backfield last year.
Thanks for pointing out Floyd, the second WR drafted this year. He was an A+ WR who couldn't find the endzone vs Floyd.
Funny how Woolfolk and Talbott come into play, but those returning with more experience is a non-factor.
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again, the stats you are saying are pretty on paper but they are inclusive of what occurred the entire yr over the likes of Minn, Nebraska, Purdue, and eastern mich, The film in our losses to MSU and Iowa will show you we were dominated by their running game so they didn't need to pass as often. Stat's are deceiving, the film against ND, Ohio and vtech showed deficiencies in our secondary, that’s all I'm saying. I'm not saying our secondary is atrocious, all I said was who am I to argue against steve by saying its C+, because what I saw last yr its not that far off at all.
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Clint Brewster said...
I guess I'm comparing them to every team in the BCS. I watched every game multiple times from last season, the spring game, read every college football preview magazine, also got opinions from an NFL scout and talked to several current or former college coaches. I did my homework before writing the offensive preview and the defensive preview.
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Michigan defense: 2012 preview