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MAJOR OT: Anyone good at Philosophy???

  • mriderblue16 said...

    This is essentially what I'm doing. But I have to prove if the statements are valid by using a Venn Diagram. I have a decent understanding, but I'm frigged for the exam.

    Well, I found this website, which basically walks you through step by step what you are looking for. Basically, from the couple minutes I spent looking at it, you are going to have about 3 terms or ideas you working with, which each get their own circle. You then shade or leave empty each region depending on whether a logical conclusion can be made in that particular area. So I guess your proof comes in your explanation of how you made your decisions about what to shade or not shade? I've never used Venn Diagrams in proofs before, so that's just what I gathered from the article I linked. Good luck.

    http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/syll_venn.html

    Also, here's a youtube video I found on the subject...it's pretty dang boring:)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rbaBKBcVMQ

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    There was a man named Bacon? I envy him....

    Tragically, he died while trying to consume himself. bacondrool

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  • Isn't the better question here, Is anyone not good at philosophy? I mean all we do on this board every day is talk about hypotheticals and why high school kids will pick Michigan, how our team will do before the games are played, and justify to ourselves why we didn't want recruits who went elsewhere. This is the ultimate in practical philosophy right here.

    Dizzo

  • Dizzo said...

    Isn't the better question here, Is anyone not good at philosophy? I mean all we do on this board every day is talk about hypotheticals and why high school kids will pick Michigan, how our team will do before the games are played, and justify to ourselves why we didn't want recruits who went elsewhere. This is the ultimate in practical philosophy right here.

    lol Good point!

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  • I took a couple of philosophy classes in college, and though I don't remember Venn Diagrams, the thing about philosophy is that there really isn't one right answer. As long as you draw a conclusion, and explain how you got there, you will probably be alright.

    For instance, Does God Exist?

    There is no way to prove this, so there is no wrong answer. You just have to lay out your argument and support it

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  • Reviving this thread because I just ordered Plato and Aristotle's complete works. I've had several dialogues and treatises, but it'll be nice to have all the works. Thinking of starting with Plato's "Euthyphro" or Aristotle's "Organon".

    A2Wolverines

  • A^2Wolverines said...

    Reviving this thread because I just ordered Plato and Aristotle's complete works. I've had several dialogues and treatises, but it'll be nice to have all the works. Thinking of starting with Plato's "Euthyphro" or Aristotle's "Organon".

    I'm sure you've already read Plato's Republic and Symposium. Definitely read Aristotle's On Politics if you haven't already.

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    richardparker10

  • richardparker10 said...

    I'm sure you've already read Plato's Republic and Symposium. Definitely read Aristotle's On Politics if you haven't already.

    Yes, I've read the Republic, have Allan Bloom's translation sitting here next to me on my desk. I've been meaning to read the Symposium for awhile now, and I have been waiting on "On Politics" until I had a chance at reading the "The Constitution of Athens" first.

    This summer will be my first summer away from school in a long time (start grad school in fall), so I hope to get lots of reading done. Would like to read as much Aristotle/Plato as possible, but also want to read "Ulysses" and "Gravity's Rainbow". Both massive works that will take time to digest.

    A2Wolverines

  • I took two courses in philosophy in undergrad, and that professor was honestly the coolest professor I had in my four years. Definitely some fascinating topics within philosophy that I'd like to learn more about at some point.

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  • A^2Wolverines said...

    Yes, I've read the Republic, have Allan Bloom's translation sitting here next to me on my desk. I've been meaning to read the Symposium for awhile now, and I have been waiting on "On Politics" until I had a chance at reading the "The Constitution of Athens" first.

    This summer will be my first summer away from school in a long time (start grad school in fall), so I hope to get lots of reading done. Would like to read as much Aristotle/Plato as possible, but also want to read "Ulysses" and "Gravity's Rainbow". Both massive works that will take time to digest.

    Ha, it sounds like your entire summer has been accounted for. Don't burn yourself out before you start your first class of grad school, though. You'll have plenty to read for years to come. What will you be studying in grad school? Poli Sci?

    "The North shall rise again." General Meyer

    richardparker10

  • richardparker10 said...

    Ha, it sounds like your entire summer has been accounted for. Don't burn yourself out before you start your first class of grad school, though. You'll have plenty to read for years to come. What will you be studying in grad school? Poli Sci?

    Political Theory and Philosophy

    A2Wolverines

  • A^2Wolverines said...

    Political Theory and Philosophy

    Great focus. That will be an awesome next few years. Ten years from now you'll be teaching "Morals and Ethics in the Michigan-Ohio State Rivalry." and "The 3-4, 4-3 Dialectic".

    Given your focus, I can't believe you've come this far without reading On Politics, though it sounds like the deficiency will be remedied soon enough. Its amazing just how insightful Aristotle was on such a wide variety of topics, but I consider On Politics his best work.

    "The North shall rise again." General Meyer

    richardparker10

  • richardparker10 said...

    Great focus. That will be an awesome next few years. Ten years from now you'll be teaching "Morals and Ethics in the Michigan-Ohio State Rivalry." and "The 3-4, 4-3 Dialectic".

    Given your focus, I can't believe you've come this far without reading On Politics, though it sounds like the deficiency will be remedied soon enough. Its amazing just how insightful Aristotle was on such a wide variety of topics, but I consider On Politics his best work.

    I've read Homer, Plato, Aristophanes, Machiavelli, Rousseau, Bacon, Locke, Marx, Tocqueville, Jefferson, the Federalists, the Anti-Federalists, Nietzsche, Oliver Holmes, etc. That's obviously missing some heavyweights like Aristotle, Hobbes, Montesquieu, etc. but it's what I've been taught. Haven't had time really to venture outside of course material.

    A2Wolverines

  • A^2Wolverines said...

    I've read Homer, Plato, Aristophanes, Machiavelli, Rousseau, Bacon, Locke, Marx, Tocqueville, Jefferson, the Federalists, the Anti-Federalists, Nietzsche, Oliver Holmes, etc. That's obviously missing some heavyweights like Aristotle, Hobbes, Montesquieu, etc. but it's what I've been taught. Haven't had time really to venture outside of course material.

    I wasn't trying to insult your readings to date. Different professors prefer different materials and there's a nearly infinite amount of texts out there to read for sure, so sometimes a classic will slip through the cracks. Don't worry about missing Hobbes, though. You can understand the whole State of Peace / State of War and Natural Laws concepts in an hour tops then compare them with Locke, and I don't recall much remarkable beyond that. I'm sure you've read many great works that I haven't. Best of luck with grad school regardless. It should be a lot of fun.

    "The North shall rise again." General Meyer

    richardparker10

  • richardparker10 said...

    I wasn't trying to insult your readings to date. Different professors prefer different materials and there's a nearly infinite amount of texts out there to read for sure, so sometimes a classic will slip through the cracks. Don't worry about missing Hobbes, though. You can understand the whole State of Peace / State of War and Natural Laws concepts in an hour tops then compare them with Locke, and I don't recall much remarkable beyond that. I'm sure you've read many great works that I haven't. Best of luck with grad school regardless. It should be a lot of fun.

    I didn't take it as an insult. It's just fun to type out authors that I've read and feel smart. lol

    A2Wolverines

  • A^2Wolverines said...

    I didn't take it as an insult. It's just fun to type out authors that I've read and feel smart. lol

    I haven't touched any of these texts in over 15 years so I just get excited thinking about all the wonderful ideas and arguments / counterarguments over the course of history. I could have gone to grad school but ended up selling out to the man, instead. I think you'll be very pleased with your decision to press on years from now.

    "The North shall rise again." General Meyer

    richardparker10

  • Bump. If there are any students here that need a good starter source on the subject, I've linked one below. Also just a fun site to read through.

    Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

    An open access resource hosted by the University of Tennessee at Martin.

    www.iep.utm.edu

    A2Wolverines