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n8wildey said...
There is already another thread for trash talking, and most of it is just that. I don't want to get into that thread and have a discussion about the game and have it be lost in the trash talk. So in this thread, let's talk matchups, and all things related to the actual game. Please, no trash talk, let's have a conversation about how we see the game going, with well thought out and respectful points and counterpoints.
Let's start with my thoughts on OSU's offense vs. UM's defense. Braxton Miller is a serious threat to score on any play (either on the ground or through the air). He has some amazing moves that make opposing tacklers look silly, can buy time, and is a good enough passer to throw for big plays. I'll admit that he scares me, but what about the rest of the OSU O? Hyde has been running strong as of late and is a formidable back to compliment Miller. This makes OSU's rush offense a strength in my eyes. I am not overly impressed with their passing O, but a good rushing attack can open up things down field. The O-Line looks pretty solid, so this, much like any other game, will be a battle in the trenches. I think UM's D-Line has performed well this year, and are solid enough to make a stalemate of this battle. I don't think either line has the edge here. Michigan's LBs have been playing well and the biggest task will be to contain Miller, and keep him inside where there is help. If Miller has success breaking contain, or taking off on pass plays, it could be a long day for the UM D. That said, if UM can keep OSU in long 2nd and 3rd down situations, UM's pass defense will keep the passing game in check. Overall, I think Michigan's D wins the battle, but will allow 24 points.
To Michigan's O vs. OSU's D, this one is tough to decipher. The recent performance of Devin Gardner makes Michigan's O more complete with a down field passing attack. That will present problems for OSU's secondary in my eyes, who seems to be a weakness for their D. The key once again will be the battle at the line of scrimmage, with OSU holding the edge here. Simon and Hankins are both tough, and Michigan's O-Line has been suspect this year. The x-factor here is having not one, but two mobile QBs, and a variety of ways to use them, as seen last week. That is a lot to game plan for, and quite frankly, I don't think the OSU D will have enough success containing Gardner and Robinson (even if he doesn't throw the ball). Does OSU's LBs have the sideline to sideline capability to keep contain on two mobile QBs. Personally, I don't think so without loading the box with a DB, which could open the down field passing game for UM. I think Michigan's O outperforms OSU's D, and puts 31 points on the board.
Special Teams could play a big role in this game. Will either team take one to the house? That remains to be seen, but I don't think it happens (though I think a big play of some sort will). A big momentum changer could change the outcome of this game, but I am going with UM 31, OSU 24.
Go Blue!
Remember, let's talk game specifics, leave the trash talking to the other thread.
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n8wildey said...
There is already another thread for trash talking, and most of it is just that. I don't want to get into that thread and have a discussion about the game and have it be lost in the trash talk. So in this thread, let's talk matchups, and all things related to the actual game. Please, no trash talk, let's have a conversation about how we see the game going, with well thought out and respectful points and counterpoints.
Let's start with my thoughts on OSU's offense vs. UM's defense. Braxton Miller is a serious threat to score on any play (either on the ground or through the air). He has some amazing moves that make opposing tacklers look silly, can buy time, and is a good enough passer to throw for big plays. I'll admit that he scares me, but what about the rest of the OSU O? Hyde has been running strong as of late and is a formidable back to compliment Miller. This makes OSU's rush offense a strength in my eyes. I am not overly impressed with their passing O, but a good rushing attack can open up things down field. The O-Line looks pretty solid, so this, much like any other game, will be a battle in the trenches. I think UM's D-Line has performed well this year, and are solid enough to make a stalemate of this battle. I don't think either line has the edge here. Michigan's LBs have been playing well and the biggest task will be to contain Miller, and keep him inside where there is help. If Miller has success breaking contain, or taking off on pass plays, it could be a long day for the UM D. That said, if UM can keep OSU in long 2nd and 3rd down situations, UM's pass defense will keep the passing game in check. Overall, I think Michigan's D wins the battle, but will allow 24 points.
To Michigan's O vs. OSU's D, this one is tough to decipher. The recent performance of Devin Gardner makes Michigan's O more complete with a down field passing attack. That will present problems for OSU's secondary in my eyes, who seems to be a weakness for their D. The key once again will be the battle at the line of scrimmage, with OSU holding the edge here. Simon and Hankins are both tough, and Michigan's O-Line has been suspect this year. The x-factor here is having not one, but two mobile QBs, and a variety of ways to use them, as seen last week. That is a lot to game plan for, and quite frankly, I don't think the OSU D will have enough success containing Gardner and Robinson (even if he doesn't throw the ball). Does OSU's LBs have the sideline to sideline capability to keep contain on two mobile QBs. Personally, I don't think so without loading the box with a DB, which could open the down field passing game for UM. I think Michigan's O outperforms OSU's D, and puts 31 points on the board.
Special Teams could play a big role in this game. Will either team take one to the house? That remains to be seen, but I don't think it happens (though I think a big play of some sort will). A big momentum changer could change the outcome of this game, but I am going with UM 31, OSU 24.
Go Blue!
Remember, let's talk game specifics, leave the trash talking to the other thread.
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MrWoodson said...
Seriously? It's a tough game to call. You put up 63 on Nebraska but only 17 on Sparty and 14 in regulation on Wisconsin. And 7 of your points against Wisky were on a punt return. We have a very good defense. And in the Wisky game it looked as if BM might have slowed down a step based on a full season of wear and tear. But then again we had a hell of a time stopping him last year. So idk what to think about your offense vs our defense. It could go either way.
As for our offense vs your defense, we have several advantages. First, assuming Denard can throw, we have two offenses to choose from. If one is not working, we will almost certainly try the other. Second, Denard was more unstoppable against you last year than BM was against us and your defense this year looks no better, especially against mobile QBs. Third, your pass defense is awful and Devin Gardner has proven to be a very accurate passer. Unless you make major improvements this week or Devin just has an off day, it's hard to see how we won't be able to move the ball at least to some extent through the air.
Finally, Gardner reminds me a little of TP, but smarter and with better passing mechanics. TP was a nightmare to defend. Gardner is particularly tough to stop in the red zone. He is tall enough to see over linemen and has a rocket for an arm. He also has good touch. And he's fast enough and hard enough to tackle that you must respect his ability to run. He is going to be the toughest QB to defend that you've seen all year.
Bottom line: IMO the game will be decided by TOs and how well we can defend BM. I don't think you will be able to shut down our offense. If has too much variety and Devin is too good a passer for you to constantly put 8-9 men in the box. If we can't contain BM, it might turn into a shootout. But if we can, we win by two TDs.
Prediction: UM 34 OSU 27
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a2brutus said...
respectively, disagree (will honor the op's non trash talk request)
um pass o vs osu pass push at best
um rush o vs osu rush d = osu (we stopped whisk'ys ball, brasky's martinez and burkhead and msu's bell)
osu pass o vs um pass d= um
osu rush o vs um rush d =osu (braxton leads the big ten in total o)
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eatonbux said...
I agree with a good amount of what you are saying here. This is an honest question, because I think he is a good player, but do you think you guys may be overstating how good Gardiner is? Like I said, I.think he is a good player, but look at who he has played against. Very bad teams with bad defenses. I know OSU hasn't been great on defense all year, but since the Indiana game we have been as good as anyone in the B1G on that side of the ball. I do worry about UM attacking Howard though. He is a solid corner, but not nearly as good as he thinks. He gets picked on quite a bit.
When OSU is on offense I agree with you that Braxton seems to have lost a little of that quickness that makes him so great and he is inconsistent at best throwing the ball. I do think the OSU O-line has a decent advantage in this game and will make the difference for our offense. They have been better than PSU and MSU, both of which I think are better up front than you guys. I think if it gets to be a shootout that its an advantage for OSU simply because I think Braxton and Hyde are the two most reliable offensive players in the game. Overall I think its a good game....31-21 Buckeyes
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a2brutus said...
respectively, disagree (will honor the op's non trash talk request)
um pass o vs osu pass d= push at best
um rush o vs osu rush d = osu (we stopped whisk'ys ball, brasky's martinez and burkhead and msu's bell)
osu pass o vs um pass d= um
osu rush o vs um rush d =osu (braxton leads the big ten in total o)
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a2brutus said...
lit up our d, yes? did we beat them? yes
um d and msu d are/will be the best d's we have faced, so yes....
is the osu o the best you will face?.
Are you saying just because you have more wins than us, that means we don't have the advantage in pass O vs your pass D? What kind of logic is that?
And not sure. I'd say it's the most explosive, but your offense is very one dimensional. A case could be made for Northwestern as the best O we have faced, imho.
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eatonbux said...
I agree with a good amount of what you are saying here. This is an honest question, because I think he is a good player, but do you think you guys may be overstating how good Gardiner is? Like I said, I.think he is a good player, but look at who he has played against. Very bad teams with bad defenses. I know OSU hasn't been great on defense all year, but since the Indiana game we have been as good as anyone in the B1G on that side of the ball. I do worry about UM attacking Howard though. He is a solid corner, but not nearly as good as he thinks. He gets picked on quite a bit.
When OSU is on offense I agree with you that Braxton seems to have lost a little of that quickness that makes him so great and he is inconsistent at best throwing the ball. I do think the OSU O-line has a decent advantage in this game and will make the difference for our offense. They have been better than PSU anda MSU, both of which I think are better up front than you guys. I think if it gets to be a shootout that its an advantage for OSU simply because I think Braxton and Hyde are the two most reliable offensive players in the game. Overall I think its a good game....31-21 Buckeyes
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a2brutus said...
not saying more wins means anything, but wins over better opponents gives us a glimpse...
beating psu, whisky and neb. is pretty good (considering 2 will be in indy)
who does nw have thats better then miller/hyde/smith/stoneburner/and brown? .
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RabidWolverine said...
No it doesn't, because the offense doesn't win games on their own. Defense has to get a stop, or else the game will be never ending. Wins mean nothing.
Northwestern should have beaten Nebraska, fwiw. They had them the whole game.
Venric Mark > Carlos Hyde
Trevor Siemein/Kain Colter < Braxton (It's close though, imo.) Siemein/Colter combo is very underrated.
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