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Jalen Hurd to OSU, by way of Univ of Tennessee first

  • I mean, let's wait until this strategy actually backfires before we label Urban "stupid." His first two years at OSU, he's landed the #7 and the #2 rated classes by 247 Composite. At Florida, his classes rated #15, #2, #1, #3, #11, and #2, according to Rivals. I agree that there's danger in allowing other schools to come into Ohio, and maybe he got lucky by closing well on NSD last cycle, but for the moment his strategy is working...it's not like he's out there chasing no-chancers, a lot of these Southern kids are very interested in coming to play for him.

    Two things that should also be noted:
    -Tressel's teams, for all their B1G dominance, got very lucky to win their one championship and got absolutely killed in the other two NCGs he reached...imo, winning the B1G is relatively meaningless if you can't compete at the highest level, and you can't compete at the highest level if you're focusing exclusively or even primarily on Ohio. It's a talented state, but not [i[that[/i] talented.
    -Even though Urban is obviously less focused on Ohio than Tressel was, Ohio State remains very attractive for Ohio prospects. We've made a lot of the fact that Berger is like 6th on Ohio's LB board and at or near the top of ours, but still Berger has us neck-and-neck with OSU.

    inuyesta

  • sircharles11 said...

    Wasn't a commitable offer anyway

    This line will always be pure gold! +1

    freshone

  • BlueRocks21 said...

    It's really amazing how stupid Urban is he goes out of state for players he could get in Ohio just because he can say he recruits national. He did the same thing when he was at UF left the state way to much and let a lot of talent leave the state which pissed off a lot of UF fans. Jim Tressel understood this really well he knew that if he took the best 15-20 players in state every year you would not only help your team but hurt others in the BIG as well thus making things much easier for you and harder on teams like Michigan which happened under Loyd Carr we got shut out of Ohio for the most part and it sucked because it hurt us. We need to recruit Ohio hard every year and thanks to Urban he is making life easier for us there.

    It's really amazing how anybody can talk bad about that coach after what he has accomplished. You should just be happy about this instead of looking like a fool criticizing the best coach in the land. Yes he'd be considered better than Saban nationwide if he oversigned, cut and grey shirted like him imo.

    Hindsight towards the end maybe he shouldve stayed in Florida more. Even though alot of players left early consecutive years. It's kind of hard turning away 5 star players like Shariff Floyd, Will Hill and others whether they pan out or not.

    Let's not forget Florida has 7x the talent of Ohio so the comparison is kind of silly. Sticking largely in Ohio would be a mistake. tOSU is aiming for NATIONAL Championships not B1G Championships. Just mainly recruiting Ohio will land you the latter but the former would be highly unlikely.

    Sidenote: There were just as many oos star players, if not more, from JT's tenure than in state. And his classes were what? 80%+ Ohio kids?

    This post was edited by SonnyD on 3/16/2013 at 1:55 PM

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  • inuyesta said...

    I mean, let's wait until this strategy actually backfires before we label Urban "stupid." His first two years at OSU, he's landed the #7 and the #2 rated classes by 247 Composite. At Florida, his classes rated #15, #2, #1, #3, #11, and #2, according to Rivals. I agree that there's danger in allowing other schools to come into Ohio, and maybe he got lucky by closing well on NSD last cycle, but for the moment his strategy is working...it's not like he's out there chasing no-chancers, a lot of these Southern kids are very interested in coming to play for him.

    Two things that should also be noted: -Tressel's teams, for all their B1G dominance, got very lucky to win their one championship and got absolutely killed in the other two NCGs he reached...imo, winning the B1G is relatively meaningless if you can't compete at the highest level, and you can't compete at the highest level if you're focusing exclusively or even primarily on Ohio. It's a talented state, but not [i[that[/i] talented. -Even though Urban is obviously less focused on Ohio than Tressel was, Ohio State remains very attractive for Ohio prospects. We've made a lot of the fact that Berger is like 6th on Ohio's LB board and at or near the top of ours, but still Berger has us neck-and-neck with OSU.

    Good post sir. ASAP is a beast btw

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    SonnyD

  • Rabid said...

    Except for that nobody respects the rankings on Scout.

    Except when theyre ranking Derrick Green of course

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    SonnyD

  • SonnyD said...

    Except when theyre ranking Derrick Green of course

    It's not like Scout was the only service to rank Green as a top-10 player or as the #1 RB in the nation. The vast majority of Michigan fans recognize that we didn't have the 2nd-best class in the nation - the fact that Alabama wasn't #1 in Scout's ranking is kind of a joke.

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  • SonnyD said...

    It's really amazing how anybody can talk bad about that coach after what he has accomplished. You should just be happy about this instead of looking like a fool criticizing the best coach in the land. Yes he'd be considered better than Saban nationwide if he oversigned, cut and grey shirted like him imo.

    Hindsight towards the end maybe he shouldve stayed in Florida more. Even though alot of players left early consecutive years. It's kind of hard turning away 5 star players like Shariff Floyd, Will Hill and others whether they pan out or not.

    Let's not forget Florida has 7x the talent of Ohio so the comparison is kind of silly. Sticking largely in Ohio would be a mistake. tOSU is aiming for NATIONAL Championships not B1G Championships. Just mainly recruiting Ohio will land you the latter but the former would be highly unlikely.

    Sidenote: There were just as many oos star players, if not more, from JT's tenure than in state. And his classes were what? 80%+ Ohio kids?

    lol Urban is not better than Saban.

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  • Ducksworth said...

    That's gotta be the gheyest emoticon I've seen. What's with the dude's face?

    Perhaps the guy who scared the Anzalone family away?shrug

    This post was edited by sircharles11 on 3/18/2013 at 10:22 AM

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  • SonnyD said...

    Except when theyre ranking Derrick Green of course

    Nah, I mostly go by rivals. Pretty much everybody does.

    Rivals has had major success predicting running backs though, so I would say Green has a pretty good chance of ending up the best back in the class.

    Scout on the other hand... Rivals pretty much beats them at everything.

    Also - Lulz at you thinking Urban > Saban

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    () () Matthew Stafford (Rivals #6 overall, 2006) and Mitch Mustain (Rivals #10 overall, 2006) With the ESPN150 hot off of the presses yesterday, all four major sites now have an updated Top 150/247/250/300 list available for the 2013 class. I wanted to dive in and look at how each service has performed over the years.

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  • Like Willy said, Urbs better then Saban? roflmao You can't be serious. Come back when urbs wins 3 natty's in a 4 year span guy.

    MichaelHardenII

  • RicoX19 said...

    Gone from tBB but voice shreaks at me thru Twitterverse... . . . devidee ‏@devidee33

    Vol fans are gonna be pissed when Corch Urbs flips Jalen Hurd next January.

    He's an EE so no January flip. It would need to take place before he would enroll.

    mfldhuskers

  • MichaelHardenII said...

    Like Willy said, Urbs better then Saban? roflmao You can't be serious. Come back when urbs wins 3 natty's in a 4 year span guy.

    Guy? Yuck. Give Meyer basically 8 more players per class(Saban style)and ill take him over Nick. Cant argue his 4 'ships but he is shady as all hell to get them

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  • SonnyD said...

    Guy? Yuck. Give Meyer basically 8 more players per class(Saban style)and ill take him over Nick. Cant argue his 4 'ships but he is shady as all hell to get them

    Buckeye fan calling another coach and program "shady". That's priceless.

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    Due51

  • CMXI said...

    It's not like Scout was the only service to rank Green as a top-10 player or as the #1 RB in the nation. The vast majority of Michigan fans recognize that we didn't have the 2nd-best class in the nation - the fact that Alabama wasn't #1 in Scout's ranking is kind of a joke.

    Shane Morris wouldve been a much better example. Rankings should go by the star average imo. I didnt look at USC's class towards the end but at one point it was insane and they had no shot to be #1 bc of quantity

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  • SonnyD said...

    Guy? Yuck. Give Meyer basically 8 more players per class(Saban style)and ill take him over Nick. Cant argue his 4 'ships but he is shady as all hell to get them

    Oh, please, don't blame it on the scholarship numbers. Meyer was at the premier football school in one of the nation's best talent-producing states. Nobody's denying that he's a good coach, but he's not Saban.

    For the record, Saban averages about 2 more recruits/class than Meyer did at Florida - not exactly a huge difference:

    Saban (at AL):
    2008: 32
    2009: 28
    2010: 26
    2011: 23
    2012: 26
    2013: 25
    Average: 26.66

    Meyer (at FLA):
    2006: 27
    2007: 27
    2008: 23
    2009: 17
    2010: 27
    Average: 24.2

    Hell, with the exception of an uncharacteristically small 2009, Meyer averaged 26 recruits/class.

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  • SonnyD said...

    Shane Morris wouldve been a much better example. Rankings should go by the star average imo. I didnt look at USC's class towards the end but at one point it was insane and they had no shot to be #1 bc of quantity

    It would be stupid to rank by star average. A class with 2 5-stars and 10 4-stars may have a higher average, but I'll take the class with 18 4-stars and 4 3-stars any day. With the bust rate of college football players and the nature of injuries in the game, tiny classes are (understandably) devalued.

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  • Due51 said...

    Buckeye fan calling another coach and program "shady". That's priceless.

    Arent you just doing the same thing? Haha. You know, with your programs past and allshrug

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  • SonnyD said...

    Arent you just doing the same thing? Haha. You know, with your programs past and allshrug

    What about our past? Referring to the stretching violations now, are you? If you really want to compare what Tressel did to RR....

    Jack Daniels

  • CMXI said...

    Oh, please, don't blame it on the scholarship numbers. Meyer was at the premier football school in one of the nation's best talent-producing states. Nobody's denying that he's a good coach, but he's not Saban.

    For the record, Saban averages about 2 more recruits/class than Meyer did at Florida - not exactly a huge difference:

    Saban (at AL): 2008: 32 2009: 28 2010: 26 2011: 23 2012: 26 2013: 25 Average: 26.66

    Meyer (at FLA): 2006: 27 2007: 27 2008: 23 2009: 17 2010: 27 Average: 24.2

    Hell, with the exception of an uncharacteristically small 2009, Meyer averaged 26 recruits/class.

    Good stuff. Well im going to call it 3. Haha. Still an advantage. And sure Saban is the best with 2 more championships. Just being a little biased saying #2 is better than #1. Sorry

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  • CMXI said...

    It would be stupid to rank by star average. A class with 2 5-stars and 10 4-stars may have a higher average, but I'll take the class with 18 4-stars and 4 3-stars any day. With the bust rate of college football players and the nature of injuries in the game, tiny classes are (understandably) devalued.

    My goodness. You are correct again sirblackeye Ive been right on everything else ive ever stated in the history of message boards though!

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  • Jack Daniels said...

    What about our past? Referring to the stretching violations now, are you? If you really want to compare what Tressel did to RR....

    Extra practice or kids selling things they own? That's a tough one

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  • SonnyD said...

    Extra practice or kids selling things illegally to get free tats, a coach who lied to administrators and the NCAA,
    and duped the conference commissioner in order to allow kids to play a bowl game? That's a tough one

    Fixed. And you're a typical, delusional buckeye.

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    Due51

  • I always enjoy watching an idiot get bulldozed by stats.

    And 26.66 - 24.2 = 2.46. Unsurprisingly, Sonny rounds that up to 3. Nevermind that he ignores the 0.5+ rule.

    Instead he probably did 2.46 ---> 2.5 ---> 3

    Ohio edumacation.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Frank C on 3/19/2013 at 12:35 AM

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  • CMXI said...

    Oh, please, don't blame it on the scholarship numbers. Meyer was at the premier football school in one of the nation's best talent-producing states. Nobody's denying that he's a good coach, but he's not Saban.

    For the record, Saban averages about 2 more recruits/class than Meyer did at Florida - not exactly a huge difference:

    Saban (at AL): 2008: 32 2009: 28 2010: 26 2011: 23 2012: 26 2013: 25 Average: 26.66

    Meyer (at FLA): 2006: 27 2007: 27 2008: 23 2009: 17 2010: 27 Average: 24.2

    Hell, with the exception of an uncharacteristically small 2009, Meyer averaged 26 recruits/class.

    Won't make a huge difference. but Scout has slightly different numbers.

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    Whiskers

  • CMXI said...

    If Butch Jones had just had one more month, I don't think Bell would've gone to OSU.

    Also, this bears consideration - our signing of Derrick Green probably indirectly contributed to OSU whiffing on Hurd. Tennessee's depth chart at RB took a hit without Green, and early playing time undoubtedly was appealing to a top talent like Hurd. I'm sure he would've thought long and hard about committing to Tennessee if they already had another 5-star RB in the class ahead of him.

    100% correct on all accounts

    "Playing here is the closest thing to heaven on earth..." - Brian Rolle

    CR2011