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In a team of MSU and UM starters, who would start?

  • This is inspired by the link.

    QB: Denard, lol For thinking otherwise.
    RB: Toussaint, much more established
    FB: Palazetti, he is a true FB, not a RB/FB like Hopkins
    WR 1: Roundtree, the most proven WR in both teams
    WR 2: Toss up, either Gallon or Arnett, Gallon is more proven in the B1G, however Arnett has more talent IMO.
    TE: Sims
    LT: Lewan
    LG: McDonald, I know he's a RG, but both him and Omameh would obviously start.
    C: Treadwell
    RG: Omameh
    RT: Schofield, started last year, Fonoti did not impress me at all.

    WDE: Gholston
    DT: Jibreel Black, neither team has a proven guy here, and I like Black's athleticism.
    NT: ARW, same as above, but I like ARW's game more.
    SDE: Toss up, Roh or Rush.
    LB's: All 3 go to them.
    CB 1: Dennard
    CB 2: Toss up: Either their guy or Countess. Probably their guy.
    FS: Lewis
    SS: Kovacs.

    What say you?

    How many UM starters would start at MSU?

    I posted on another board that only 2 UM starters (Lewan and Denard) would start at MSU and Denard would be a Wide Receiver and I got this r

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke ●

  • I haven't visited tRCMB for a month, but then I clicked that link, I regret going there. I solemnly swear I will never visit tRCMB ever again.

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    wolverineblue

  • Had a good laugh reading that link...Most spartys think only 2-5 Wolverines would would start fingergun and that they wouldnt use Dennard (in most Heisman candidates) over a never started Maxwell fingergun...time to breakout the popcorn and enjoy this thread.

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  • hard to say with different schemes. For instance Gholston is probably a SDE in our defense. I probably take Rush over Roh. Bell/Touissant is a toss up. I would make a case for Jake Ryan, I think he is that good. Have a hard time with Roundtree starting but then again MSU did just lose all their WRs. Don't really know enough about MSU to offer much insight.

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    MKatUmich ●

  • MKatUmich said...

    hard to say with different schemes. For instance Gholston is probably a SDE in our defense. I probably take Rush over Roh. Bell/Touissant is a toss up. I would make a case for Jake Ryan, I think he is that good. Have a hard time with Roundtree starting but then again MSU did just lose all their WRs. Don't really know enough about MSU to offer much insight.

    You have the same opinion as I do about Ryan. He matches up with Allen at SLB and he had a great season, but I have some man love for Ryan.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • QB: Denard
    RB: Toussaint
    FB: Hopkins
    WR 1: Roundtree
    WR 2: Arnett, based on his size compared to Gallon
    WR 3: Gallon
    TE: Sims
    LT: Lewan
    LG: McDonald, This could change later in the season based on how Bryant/Kalis develop.
    C: Treadwell
    RG: Omameh
    RT: Schofield

    WDE: Gholston
    DT: Jibreel Black or Campbell. If Campbell then move ARW to DT.
    NT: ARW,
    SDE: Craig Roh
    SLB: Allen, but I would get Ryan on the field.
    MLB: Bullough
    WLB: Demens, from everything I have read on Michigan's defense, MLB and WLB are almost interchangeable.
    CB 1: Adams
    CB 2: Countess
    FS: Lewis
    SS: Kovacs.

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 7/10/2012 at 8:00 AM

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  • In their system, I cannot say I would start drob over Maxwell, even with the experience he has. Just like it would be a joke for any sparty to say Maxwell would start over drob in our system.

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  • michagain said...

    In their system, I cannot say I would start drob over Maxwell, even with the experience he has. Just like it would be a joke for any sparty to say Maxwell would start over drob in our system.

    I put it as who I would start for Michigan.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • michagain said...

    In their system, I cannot say I would start drob over Maxwell, even with the experience he has. Just like it would be a joke for any sparty to say Maxwell would start over drob in our system.

    There is no system in the world in which you would take Andrew Maxwell over Denard at quarterback.

    wolverineluke

  • Lewan and DRob would definitely start on offense.

    NigelUno ●

  • wolverineluke said...

    There is no system in the world in which you would take Andrew Maxwell over Denard at quarterback.

    The only proof you need of this is that Hoke and Borges don't want to run a spread. But guess what, they do because coaches adapt to the best players.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke ●

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    The only proof you need of this is that Hoke and Borges don't want to run a spread. But guess what, they do because coaches adapt to the best players.

    True. Gotta get your best 11 on the field.

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  • michagain said...

    In their system, I cannot say I would start drob over Maxwell, even with the experience he has. Just like it would be a joke for any sparty to say Maxwell would start over drob in our system.

    If I had Denard and Maxwell, I wouldn't even think of running an MSU pro-style offense.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    The only proof you need of this is that Hoke and Borges don't want to run a spread. But guess what, they do because coaches adapt to the best players.

    I'm really not trying to flame, but in all reality, what other option would they have had anyways? I think your statement is a decent argument for both sides of the coin.

    A: They prefer a pro-style, but they will do whatever it takes to get D-Rob on the field, even if that means running a spread.

    B. They know pro-style, but will suffer through discomfort with the spread for D-Rob b/c they know he can't handle a pro-style.

    I am decidedly undecided on what I would do. If we were talking about Cousins and Robinson, I think that it's a no-brainer that you do whatever you can to get both of those players on the field; Cousins for intangibles/leadership and some talent, and Robinson for the unseemly plethora of talent that he possesses. With Maxwell, it instantly becomes a significantly more biased conversation, b/c nobody knows what Maxwell brings. MSU fans will believe that Maxwell has promise and is the 2nd coming of the Captain, while UM fans will believe that Maxwell will suffer great growing pains.

    So since I'm sure you're all dying to know what I think, I'll give you my desired lineup:

    QB: Maxwell
    RB: Bell
    RB: Toussaint
    RB/WR: Denard
    WR: Roundtree
    WR: Arnett
    LT: Lewan
    G: Treadwell
    C: Jackson
    G: McDonald
    RT: tossup to me, so I'll give you Schofield

    DE: Gholston
    DT: tossup to me between Black and Hoover
    NT: ARW
    DE: Rush (I understand wanting Roh out there, and I don't blame you, I would probably rotate heavily)
    OLB: Norman
    MLB: Bullough
    OLB: Allen
    CB: Johnny5
    CB: Dennard
    S: Lewis
    S: Kovacs

    PK: Conroy
    P: Sadler
    LS: Um...I'm going to go with MSU's starter on this one, and Shane Morris might agree...

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  • Jandy said...

    I'm really not trying to flame, but in all reality, what other option would they have had anyways? I think your statement is a decent argument for both sides of the coin.

    A: They prefer a pro-style, but they will do whatever it takes to get D-Rob on the field, even if that means running a spread.

    B. They know pro-style, but will suffer through discomfort with the spread for D-Rob b/c they know he can't handle a pro-style.

    I am decidedly undecided on what I would do. If we were talking about Cousins and Robinson, I think that it's a no-brainer that you do whatever you can to get both of those players on the field; Cousins for intangibles/leadership and some talent, and Robinson for the unseemly plethora of talent that he possesses. With Maxwell, it instantly becomes a significantly more biased conversation, b/c nobody knows what Maxwell brings. MSU fans will believe that Maxwell has promise and is the 2nd coming of the Captain, while UM fans will believe that Maxwell will suffer great growing pains.

    So since I'm sure you're all dying to know what I think, I'll give you my desired lineup:

    QB: Maxwell RB: Bell RB: Toussaint RB/WR: Denard WR: Roundtree WR: Arnett LT: Lewan G: Treadwell C: Jackson G: McDonald RT: tossup to me, so I'll give you Schofield

    DE: Gholston DT: tossup to me between Black and Hoover NT: ARW DE: Rush (I understand wanting Roh out there, and I don't blame you, I would probably rotate heavily) OLB: Norman MLB: Bullough OLB: Allen CB: Johnny5 CB: Dennard S: Lewis S: Kovacs

    PK: Conroy P: Sadler LS: Um...I'm going to go with MSU's starter on this one, and Shane Morris might agree...

    Putting Maxwell at QB is a completely biased opinion. There is no way anyone should put Maxwell at QB over Denard.

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    WillyWolverine ●

  • WillyWolverine said...

    Putting Maxwell at QB is a completely biased opinion. There is no way anyone should put Maxwell at QB over Denard.

    Yes, it is, which is why I said as much in my post.

    Jandy ●

  • QB: Denard
    RB: Bell
    FB: Hopkins
    WR 1: Roundtree
    WR 2: Arnett
    WR 3: Gallon
    TE: Sims
    LT: Lewan
    LG: Treadwell
    C: Jackson
    RG: McDonald
    RT: Schofield

    WDE: Gholston
    DT: Black
    NT: ARW,
    SDE: Rush
    SLB: Allen
    MLB: Bullough
    WLB: Norman
    CB 1: Adams
    CB 2: Countess
    FS: Lewis
    SS: Kovacs

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  • copemoney0 said...

    QB: Denard RB: Bell FB: Hopkins WR 1: Roundtree WR 2: Arnett WR 3: Gallon TE: Sims LT: Lewan LG: Treadwell C: Jackson RG: McDonald RT: Schofield

    WDE: Gholston DT: Black NT: ARW, SDE: Rush SLB: Allen MLB: Bullough WLB: Norman CB 1: Adams CB 2: Countess FS: Lewis SS: Kovacs

    Put Omameh at RG and I agree.

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    Rabid

  • I don't think we're that far apart on these lists, actually, and on some of the close calls (Rush/Roh, Allen/Ryan) the guys would rotate anyway. One I really question is putting Treadwell in over any of our interior linemen. Has he even started for you guys yet? I think I'd have both Barnum and Omameh over him. But Jackson and McDonald are quality players. I think Dennard v. Countess is a close call, too.

    RBWolverine ●

  • RabidWolverine said...

    Put Omameh at RG and I agree.

    Works for me

    copemoney0 ●

  • RBWolverine said...

    I don't think we're that far apart on these lists, actually, and on some of the close calls (Rush/Roh, Allen/Ryan) the guys would rotate anyway. One I really question is putting Treadwell in over any of our interior linemen. Has he even started for you guys yet? I think I'd have both Barnum and Omameh over him. But Jackson and McDonald are quality players. I think Dennard v. Countess is a close call, too.

    Yea- Treadwell started 3 games LY at C before a season ending injury

    Really have no issue with Omameh over him just to shuffle the lines to have the best 5 OL all on the field.

    Agree lot are close calls- the two you mentions and Demens would be right there at LB as well

    This post was edited by copemoney0 on 7/11/2012 at 11:22 AM

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  • copemoney0 said...

    QB: Denard RB: Bell FB: Hopkins WR 1: Roundtree WR 2: Arnett WR 3: Gallon TE: Sims LT: Lewan LG: Treadwell C: Jackson RG: McDonald RT: Schofield

    WDE: Gholston DT: Black NT: ARW, SDE: Rush SLB: Allen MLB: Bullough WLB: Norman CB 1: Adams CB 2: Countess FS: Lewis SS: Kovacs

    I agree for the most part, but I'd take Omameh, Toussaint, and Palazetti.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke ●

  • Oh wow I didn't even notice he had Bell over Toussaint.

    This post was edited by Rabid on 7/11/2012 at 12:40 PM

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  • RabidWolverine said...

    Oh wow I didn't even notice he had Bell over Toussaint.

    Think both would see significant action.. another one of those- either or situations

    Fitz the quicker and speedier back- Bell the bruiser who's got good hands and blocks well

    copemoney0 ●

  • copemoney0 said...

    Think both would see significant action.. another one of those- either or situations

    Fitz the quicker and speedier back- Bell the bruiser who's got good hands and blocks well

    Yeah, that's a position where each fits the offense he's in better. I'd much rather have Toussaint in our offense with Denard, but Bell works really well in your offense. I think a team with both would love using them as a nice one-two punch.

    RBWolverine ●

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