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I was wrong about Junior Hemingway

  • Hey guys-

    Way back when many of you were on The Wolverine on Rivals, we had a spirited debate about Junior Hemingway and Sam McGuffie. I rated Hemingway a high three star (5.7) and had actually dropped him from four star status after watching him at the Shrine Bowl of the Carolinas that particular year.

    I want to let you know that after looking at Hemingway's career at Michigan and then the fact he was drafted in the seventh round by the Kansas City Chiefs in this year's draft, I missed on that one.

    I told the group then I would gladly admit if I was wrong and so I am here to do so. I believe in that (transparency, accountability) as we all do at 247Sports.

    I wish Hemingway the best. My mother was born in Conway, S.C., so it's always good to see someone with home ties do well. :-)

    Congrats on the great class this year and thanks to all of you for visiting 247Sports!

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    JC Shurburtt

  • I think 5.7 wasnt a bad rating. However if Junior was playing in a pro style offense I think he would have been a higher pick and had a more productive career.

    dohedan

  • dohedan said...

    I think 5.7 wasnt a bad rating. However if Junior was playing in a pro style offense I think he would have been a higher pick and had a more productive career.

    Agree on the system 110 percent. My personal benchmark has been and still is, though, if they are a draft-worthy player (approximately 250-300 guys) then four star is appropriate. That's not to say that if a guy is an 85-90 or a 5.6/5.7 that he's got no shot at the NFL- but there has to be some sort of standard, otherwise we could spin, spin, spin it to where we never missed. That would be inaccurate because everybody that evaluates football players misses. It's the hitting a baseball of evaluation because of what goes into actually playing the game.

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    JC Shurburtt

  • Yeah, can you imagine the career he could have had if Henne, Navarre, or Brady were QB? He played with Sheridan/Threet, Frosh Forcier, and then Denard.

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  • neoavatara said...

    Yeah, can you imagine the career he could have had if Henne, Navarre, or Brady were QB? He played with Sheridan/Threet, Frosh Forcier, and then Denard.

    Solid point neo. No arms there.

    SDWolverine

  • Good stuff, JC. As others have mentioned, it would have been interesting to see how his career played out in other circumstances.

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  • Hemingway's draft class, in my mind, goes down as one of the worst ever looking at how it panned out now.

    Transferred: Mallett, Vince Helmuth, Artis Chambers, Zion Babb, Avery Horn, Toney Clemons, Marell Evans (He came back, but never ended up being eligible to play)
    Never-was: Austin Panter (best known as being one of few Juco kids, but never saw serious playing time)
    Suffered serious injuries: Troy Woolfolk, Michael Williams, Brandon Herron (missed most of his senior year due to injury)
    Career Position Changers: James Rogers (S->WR->CB), Steve Watson (TE->DE->TE)
    What-Woulda-Been: Donovan Warren (though can't blame him for skipping the last year being 'coached' by Gibby and Gerg)
    Serviceable (guys who at least had a good final year): Martell Webb, Renaldo Segasse
    Best of the group: Hemingway (big time injuries early in his career, but managed to have a healthy final 2 seasons), Mark Huyge, David Molk, Ryan Van Bergen

    Not good looking back when less than half the guys in the class ended up being decent contributors by the end of their careers.

    Dizzo

  • Dizzo said...

    Hemingway's draft class, in my mind, goes down as one of the worst ever looking at how it panned out now.

    Transferred: Mallett, Vince Helmuth, Artis Chambers, Zion Babb, Avery Horn, Toney Clemons, Marell Evans (He came back, but never ended up being eligible to play) Never-was: Austin Panter (best known as being one of few Juco kids, but never saw serious playing time) Suffered serious injuries: Troy Woolfolk, Michael Williams, Brandon Herron (missed most of his senior year due to injury) Career Position Changers: James Rogers (S->WR->CB), Steve Watson (TE->DE->TE) What-Woulda-Been: Donovan Warren (though can't blame him for skipping the last year being 'coached' by Gibby and Gerg) Serviceable (guys who at least had a good final year): Martell Webb, Renaldo Segasse Best of the group: Hemingway (big time injuries early in his career, but managed to have a healthy final 2 seasons), Mark Huyge, David Molk, Ryan Van Bergen

    Not good looking back when less than half the guys in the class ended up being decent contributors by the end of their careers.

    Interesting viewpoint and very good insight. Will be interesting, to say the least, to conduct this same exercise with the 2012, 2013 recruit classes in the future. Safe to say the contributors and level of contribution amongst the classes will be much higher. [two cents]

    ECoastMichMan

  • Dizzo said...

    Hemingway's draft class, in my mind, goes down as one of the worst ever looking at how it panned out now.

    Transferred: Mallett, Vince Helmuth, Artis Chambers, Zion Babb, Avery Horn, Toney Clemons, Marell Evans (He came back, but never ended up being eligible to play) Never-was: Austin Panter (best known as being one of few Juco kids, but never saw serious playing time) Suffered serious injuries: Troy Woolfolk, Michael Williams, Brandon Herron (missed most of his senior year due to injury) Career Position Changers: James Rogers (S->WR->CB), Steve Watson (TE->DE->TE) What-Woulda-Been: Donovan Warren (though can't blame him for skipping the last year being 'coached' by Gibby and Gerg) Serviceable (guys who at least had a good final year): Martell Webb, Renaldo Segasse Best of the group: Hemingway (big time injuries early in his career, but managed to have a healthy final 2 seasons), Mark Huyge, David Molk, Ryan Van Bergen

    Not good looking back when less than half the guys in the class ended up being decent contributors by the end of their careers.

    Recruiting is a main reason why Hoke is now the coach.

    SDWolverine

  • SDWolverine said...

    Recruiting is a main reason why Hoke is now the coach.

    Um...defense?

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    neoavatara

  • Good stuff JC. Much respect.

    Junior had an injury plagued first couple years at Michigan which limited his play. His final two years at Michigan he really blossomed into his nickname "big play". I think his ability to go after the ball will be sorely missed this coming season.

    Watching Junior after the Sugar Bowl win really increased my admiration for the kid. I hope he has a long prosperous NFL career.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Hey guys-

    Way back when many of you were on The Wolverine on Rivals, we had a spirited debate about Junior Hemingway and Sam McGuffie. I rated Hemingway a high three star (5.7) and had actually dropped him from four star status after watching him at the Shrine Bowl of the Carolinas that particular year.

    I want to let you know that after looking at Hemingway's career at Michigan and then the fact he was drafted in the seventh round by the Kansas City Chiefs in this year's draft, I missed on that one.

    I told the group then I would gladly admit if I was wrong and so I am here to do so. I believe in that (transparency, accountability) as we all do at 247Sports.

    I wish Hemingway the best. My mother was born in Conway, S.C., so it's always good to see someone with home ties do well. :-)

    Congrats on the great class this year and thanks to all of you for visiting 247Sports!

    Great stuff here JC. No one is right 100% of the time in evaluating players, and it wasn't like he was a first round pick. Like you said, I'm also a huge fan of the the transparency at 247Sports.

    Recruiting Analyst for Voice of the Hawkeyes. Email: tworly@yahoo.com; Twitter: @ToddWorly247

    Todd Worly

  • Wow, great follow up JC! That shows some serious dedication. Love Hemingway and I'm really excited to see what he does in the NFL.

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