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unsaddleddonald said...
I disagree. If there weren't any sanctions, there is no doubt that the national championship would have OSU and Notre Dame. The sanctions are THE reason that OSU isn't ranked #2 in the AP.
Even though they didn't look incredibly impressive, an undefeated Ohio State will rank higher than a one loss Alabama more often than not.
Although, I do give props to the national media to giving OSU their 15 minutes of fame after the Michigan game, and then kind of dismissed them until next year. I don't really hear anyone saying "OSU should get a shot".
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psubills62 said...
Oh Clint, you certainly know how to kick the hornet's nest.
First of all, I think credit is due the Buckeyes. I didn't watch all their games, but Meyer and his staff had some good gameplans, particularly against PSU. And while they benefited a lot from turnovers, many times you make your own luck. Their offense held them together at the beginning of the season and their defense picked up the slack late.
That said, they were fortunate to be undefeated. Too many close calls with bad teams (Indiana, Cal come to mind immediately). Cal was how many missed field goals away from a win? I mean, if you won because of some bad kicks by the other team, how much can you say you really outplayed them? Same way for PSU and Virginia. Yeah, PSU lost (4 missed FG's and a missed extra point) but it was obvious who the better team was.
Honestly, if OSU had played any other truly elite team (Nebraska was not a top 15 team, IMO - PSU should have beaten them), it's likely they would have lost. I'd put them top 10, maybe around 8th or so. Haven't checked the rankings exactly.
Based on how they played, I think they should have been 10-2. Wisconsin should have beaten them with how well they played. And Cal should have won. Frankly, given how poorly Borges was and how many turnovers OSU got close to the end zone, I'm surprised they didn't beat Michigan by more points.
In some ways, OSU played well and deserved wins. In others, they didn't. That's just how it goes. I think the AP's hesitancy to put them in the top 2 indicates that others feel that they weren't "undefeated good" either.
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buckeye2280 said...
We won thats all that matters. We will finish the year no worse then 2 in the AP poll with a very slim chance at #1 if Alabama were to win.
Secondly you talk about could have lost, thats some shoulda coulda woulda talk that didn't happen. Hell, by your arguement was Florida really that good since they could have lost to LA-Lafayette or Mizz. Townson damn near took out LSU. ND should have lost to Pitt, beat UM only due to arm punt giving up 6 TO's in the first half and beat that same Purdue team by only a FG, a whole 3 points. You can nick pick almost everyones schedule but facts are facts, tOSU won 12 games and Lost 0. This same crap thinking happened in 2002 when tOSU played Miami for the National title and if i remember correctly we finished 14-0 that year.....
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SonnyD said...
By the end of the year i thought the D was solid and getting better every week after moving Boren(which still blows my mind). Especially with everybody healthy. The offense was unpredictable passing but very solid rushing. I put them at #5.
Nobody in the big 12, acc, big ten or big east is better. Oregon aint
if you have 5 weeks to prepare for their offense. Stanford=big time winnable. Bama, ND, Fla and Uga i would say are better but theyd have a shot against all but Bama. Best shot being ND. I hate that we arent playing them in the NCG bc id really like UFM's chances. He's a beast in BCS games
Also, i dont think the B1G is as awful as everybody states. Top to bottom we match up well with every conference but the sec. Merry Xmas and good luck against Spurrier. I pull for all B1G teams
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I've been pondering this question since the last game of the season and I apologize if it's already been mentioned here before but I want to see some honest answers here. How good was Ohio State this season honestly? I really think Ohio State is not as good as their undefeated record suggests. Ohio States non-conference schedule was Miami (OH), UCF, Cal, and UAB. They only won against Miami (OH) convincingly and both Cal and UAB had a shot late in the game. In conference play, OSU barely got by MSU, gave up 49 points against Nebraska, went into OT with Purdue, and Illinois even put up 22 points against the Buckeyes. Im just being an unbiased, honest fan here and I really didn't think OSU was anywhere near as good as an undefeated squad should be. Ohio State ended the season 36th in total defense in country, and 48th in total offense. If a few plays go the other way, OSU could have easily lost to UAB, Cal, MSU, Michigan, Purdue and Wisconsin. What's your guys honest opinion?
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dukeluke said...
Florida beat OSU by 7 points last year with Luke Fickell coaching and a rushed kick to avoid the refs overturning a dropped TD pass. Both teams are better this year, but I don't see that tremendous gap in talent you're talking about there.
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TAMUWolverine said...
They're the only team in the nation to beat 4 top 12 teams, yes they've played down to some of their competition but you have to give them props for the teams they've beaten. OSU went undefeated and they deserve props for that but UF>OSU. Schedules and level of competition don't lie.
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Clint Brewster said...
I've been pondering this question since the last game of the season and I apologize if it's already been mentioned here before but I want to see some honest answers here. How good was Ohio State this season honestly? I really think Ohio State is not as good as their undefeated record suggests. Ohio States non-conference schedule was Miami (OH), UCF, Cal, and UAB. They only won against Miami (OH) convincingly and both Cal and UAB had a shot late in the game. In conference play, OSU barely got by MSU, gave up 49 points against Nebraska, went into OT with Purdue, and Illinois even put up 22 points against the Buckeyes. Im just being an unbiased, honest fan here and I really didn't think OSU was anywhere near as good as an undefeated squad should be. Ohio State ended the season 36th in total defense in country, and 48th in total offense. If a few plays go the other way, OSU could have easily lost to UAB, Cal, MSU, Michigan, Purdue and Wisconsin. What's your guys honest opinion?
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buckfanoutwest said...
Clint, you're obviously not so bright...first off, if you're going to poke the tiger, at least get your facts straight....We gave up 38 points Nebraska and the game was way out of reach in the 4th quarter...the Defense improved steadily from the start of the year and considering the team was inheriting a new system, a new coaching staff and sanctions, the had a great year. Also, since you're obviously a basketball guy, not a football guy, a team that goes 12-0, is not lucky. Good teams win some close games, great teams win them all. Our coach was quite candid, we were a work in progress most of the year. We all know that, but our score with TTUN, should of been much worse. Next year, look out. It was sad to see Michigan slide so far back in Hoke's second year, I don't expect that to happen in Urban's second year. Clint, as a basketball guy, you wouldn't know anything about Urban, but in his second year in every school he has coached, it has been his best year ever at each program, once his "system" was installed and kids bought into his system. You say you are being honest and unbiased, but to say "I really don't think OSU was anywhere near as good as an undefeated squad should be" shows your basketball intelligence.....You obviously have never played nor watched much football. See, it's very hard to win them all as bad breaks happen to every team. Great teams over come and find ways to win them all. When was Michigan's last undefeated team? So enjoy your excellent Michigan basketball team, but please, keep your critiques of OSU football to those who actually watch and understand the game. You don't qualify for that.
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buckfanoutwest said...
Clint, you're obviously not so bright...first off, if you're going to poke the tiger, at least get your facts straight....We gave up 38 points Nebraska and the game was way out of reach in the 4th quarter...the Defense improved steadily from the start of the year and considering the team was inheriting a new system, a new coaching staff and sanctions, the had a great year. Also, since you're obviously a basketball guy, not a football guy, a team that goes 12-0, is not lucky. Good teams win some close games, great teams win them all. Our coach was quite candid, we were a work in progress most of the year. We all know that, but our score with TTUN, should of been much worse. Next year, look out. It was sad to see Michigan slide so far back in Hoke's second year, I don't expect that to happen in Urban's second year. Clint, as a basketball guy, you wouldn't know anything about Urban, but in his second year in every school he has coached, it has been his best year ever at each program, once his "system" was installed and kids bought into his system. You say you are being honest and unbiased, but to say "I really don't think OSU was anywhere near as good as an undefeated squad should be" shows your basketball intelligence.....You obviously have never played nor watched much football. See, it's very hard to win them all as bad breaks happen to every team. Great teams over come and find ways to win them all. When was Michigan's last undefeated team? So enjoy your excellent Michigan basketball team, but please, keep your critiques of OSU football to those who actually watch and understand the game. You don't qualify for that.
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6-3 or 2-3. Which record would you take in BCS Bowls?
C'mon, man. 
Glad this thread got you butthurt though.
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