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Hoke/Mattison may have to try what Miles/Chavis used...

  • If Urban Meyer does install Chip Kelly's super-tempo spread, then Hoke/Mattison will have to condition our defense to match that tempo. IMO, Michigan will have to rely on LSU's strategy.

    Here is an excerpt from Wetzel's article:

    LSU began preparing its defense to handle Oregon’s fast-break offensive timing just days after last year’s victory in the Cotton Bowl. Throughout spring practice, and then into fall camp, Miles and his staff dreamed up a drill called “tempo” that would condition the Tigers for the challenge.

    It featured one defense facing two offenses. One offensive unit would line up and run a play while the other huddled. When the play ended, the second offense would sprint into formation and snap the ball as fast as possible and the defense would have to scramble into position. Then the first offense would huddle and repeat the cycle.

    It caused defenders minds to spin and their muscles to burn. It also got them ready to stuff the Oregon offense and negate the Ducks’ usual schematic advantage.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Frank C on 4/23/2012 at 10:21 PM

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  • Frank C said...

    If Urban Meyer does install Chip Kelly's super-tempo spread, then Hoke/Mattison will have to condition our defense to match that tempo. IMO, Michigan will have to rely on LSU's strategy.

    Here is an excerpt from Wetzel's article:

    LSU began preparing its defense to handle Oregon’s fast-break offensive timing just days after last year’s victory in the Cotton Bowl. Throughout spring practice, and then into fall camp, Miles and his staff dreamed up a drill called “tempo” that would condition the Tigers for the challenge.

    It featured one defense facing two offenses. One offensive unit would line up and run a play while the other huddled. When the play ended, the second offense would sprint into formation and snap the ball as fast as possible and the defense would have to scramble into position. Then the first offense would huddle and repeat the cycle.

    It caused defenders minds to spin and their muscles to burn. It also got them ready to stuff the Oregon offense and negate the Ducks’ usual schematic advantage.

    Even if nothing else, I think this type of "tempo" drill would be excellent just to condition our defense in general. It obviously helps if it simulates what OSU will be doing on the field, but as far as I'm concerned, Mattison and Hoke should "Miracle" this team - even if they aren't the most talented players on the field, they'll damn well be the best-conditioned.

    Also, I hope the coaches run this just so it isn't as traumatic for the viewers the next time BWC plays with half a jersey.

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  • It caused defenders minds to spin and their muscles to burn. It also got them ready to stuff the Oregon offense and negate the Ducks’ usual schematic advantage.

    I know you didn't write this article, but I think he's definitely exaggerating a good amount here. Oregon scored 27 points and amassed 335 yards. The Duck offense definitely didn't dominate LSU, but I also wouldn't say LSU "stuffed" Oregon's offense.

    As for that drill that LSU ran, we actually ran that same drill when I was coaching at Fort Scott Community College and we were preparing for the national championship game against Cam Newton and Blinn. Defensive players hate it, but there's no way you can see anything worse when game day rolls around.

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  • Definitely wouldn't hurt to try.

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  • Todd Worly said...

    [Point #1]

    I know you didn't write this article, but I think he's definitely exaggerating a good amount here. Oregon scored 27 points and amassed 335 yards. The Duck offense definitely didn't dominate LSU, but I also wouldn't say LSU "stuffed" Oregon's offense.

    [Point #2]

    As for that drill that LSU ran, we actually ran that same drill when I was coaching at Fort Scott Community College and we were preparing for the national championship game against Cam Newton and Blinn. Defensive players hate it, but there's no way you can see anything worse when game day rolls around.

    I numbered your post so that I could respond to it in an organized fashion.

    Point #1

    I actually had this discussion with a friend when we were discussing who had the better defense going into the BCS NC game between undefeated LSU and one-loss Bama.

    He said that Bama had the better defense and I agreed. However, I pointed out to him that LSU was ok with giving up yards so long as those yards didn't translate into points.

    I realized that yards don't necessarily equal points (especially in a spread offense where yards can be racked up so easily) because of the Rich Rod era at Michigan. This is a painful lesson I learned. Michigan's offensive stats during that era were misleading.

    Moreover, Oregon tacked on a meaningless TD on a long drive when the game was effectively over (iirc).

    In essence, LSU was content to give up yards but its defense would tighten up considerably once Oregon started approaching the Red Zone.

    Point #2

    I completely understand. Thank you for sharing that tidbit.

    My HS alma mater is supposedly going to try this summer. We know that the defensive players will hate it because this new style will test their endurance far beyond their comfort zone and push them to the limit. It's an entirely foreign concept to them. But like you said, if a defense can learn to play at this tempo then that defense is essentially as physically prepared as it can be just about anything.

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  • Frank C said...

    If Urban Meyer does install Chip Kelly's super-tempo spread, then Hoke/Mattison will have to condition our defense to match that tempo. IMO, Michigan will have to rely on LSU's strategy.

    Here is an excerpt from Wetzel's article:

    LSU began preparing its defense to handle Oregon’s fast-break offensive timing just days after last year’s victory in the Cotton Bowl. Throughout spring practice, and then into fall camp, Miles and his staff dreamed up a drill called “tempo” that would condition the Tigers for the challenge.

    It featured one defense facing two offenses. One offensive unit would line up and run a play while the other huddled. When the play ended, the second offense would sprint into formation and snap the ball as fast as possible and the defense would have to scramble into position. Then the first offense would huddle and repeat the cycle.

    It caused defenders minds to spin and their muscles to burn. It also got them ready to stuff the Oregon offense and negate the Ducks’ usual schematic advantage.

    MSU did the same thing when RR was here. It worked.

    BlueRocks21

  • Frank C said...

    I numbered your post so that I could respond to it in an organized fashion.

    Point #1

    I actually had this discussion with a friend when we were discussing who had the better defense going into the BCS NC game between undefeated LSU and one-loss Bama.

    He said that Bama had the better defense and I agreed. However, I pointed out to him that LSU was ok with giving up yards so long as those yards didn't translate into points.

    I realized that yards don't necessarily equal points (especially in a spread offense where yards can be racked up so easily) because of the Rich Rod era at Michigan. This is a painful lesson I learned. Michigan's offensive stats during that era were misleading.

    Moreover, Oregon tacked on a meaningless TD on a long drive when the game was effectively over (iirc).

    In essence, LSU was content to give up yards but its defense would tighten up considerably once Oregon started approaching the Red Zone.

    Point #2

    I completely understand. Thank you for sharing that tidbit.

    My HS alma mater is supposedly going to try this summer. We know that the defensive players will hate it because this new style will test their endurance far beyond their comfort zone and push them to the limit. It's an entirely foreign concept to them. But like you said, if a defense can learn to play at this tempo then that defense is essentially as physically prepared as it can be just about anything.

    I don't disagree with anything you said. It's just a pet peeve of mine how a lot of people in the media seem to sensationalize everything, especially when it comes to the SEC. That conference has had a good run since '06, but I do think a lot of people take it way too far.

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  • Todd Worly said...

    I don't disagree with anything you said. It's just a pet peeve of mine how a lot of people in the media seem to sensationalize everything, especially when it comes to the SEC. That conference has had a good run since '06, but I do think a lot of people take it way too far.

    I agree with you Todd. The truth is many teams have been doing this. Its nothing new.

    BlueRocks21

  • With all the line flipping this defense did last year, Mattison has shown a desire to get a little complicated with his pre-snap formations (presumably to set up his blitzes?). Hopefully he will not overdo it.

    bkp1883

  • Todd Worly said...

    I know you didn't write this article, but I think he's definitely exaggerating a good amount here. Oregon scored 27 points and amassed 335 yards. The Duck offense definitely didn't dominate LSU, but I also wouldn't say LSU "stuffed" Oregon's offense.

    As for that drill that LSU ran, we actually ran that same drill when I was coaching at Fort Scott Community College and we were preparing for the national championship game against Cam Newton and Blinn. Defensive players hate it, but there's no way you can see anything worse when game day rolls around.

    If you watched the game you could tell. LSU dominated on D. After the game Chip Kelly called LSU players a different kind of athlete and something he had never seen before.

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  • I agree...watching the game, LSU could have crushed Oregon.

    That said, what always matters is conditioning.

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  • neoavatara said...

    I agree...watching the game, LSU could have crushed Oregon.

    That said, what always matters is conditioning.

    I agree. I think it was mostly the strength coach who is responsible for the play. Not so much the drill. The LSU strength coach is considered by many to be the best in the country.

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  • They key thing I noticed about our defense was Mattisons ability to make adjustments during the game. Something sorely lacking in previous regime

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  • if you read meyer's words carefully, I think the intent was to compare the tempo, and pace of oregon's offense more so than a carbon copy. Urban has been running this offense/his own for a long time and before chip kelly came along.

    He has already stated that he's going to run some power too. That right there should clue everyone in on the fact that this isn't going to be a "oregon offense." I think the writer of the article took a big leap with his words.

    It is going to be harder to defend than Oregon's offense because there is going to be a mix of styles that will have to be accounted for. That is why Dunn was a big get. He's not going to be relegated to being a receiver out of the back field. NO WAY. OSU is going to pound it, spread the field, and pass the ball. I know you guys don't have much regard for miller as a passer but that would be a mistake. The guy can wing it.

    JMTC

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  • BucknutsFan465 said...

    if you read meyer's words carefully, I think the intent was to compare the tempo, and pace of oregon's offense more so than a carbon copy. Urban has been running this offense/his own for a long time and before chip kelly came along.

    He has already stated that he's going to run some power too. That right there should clue everyone in on the fact that this isn't going to be a "oregon offense." I think the writer of the article took a big leap with his words.

    It is going to be harder to defend than Oregon's offense because there is going to be a mix of styles that will have to be accounted for. That is why Dunn was a big get. He's not going to be relegated to being a receiver out of the back field. NO WAY. OSU is going to pound it, spread the field, and pass the ball. I know you guys don't have much regard for miller as a passer but that would be a mistake. The guy can wing it.

    JMTC

    Well Miller's throws sometimes looked like wounded ducks, so he sure could "wing" it.

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  • CR2011 said...

    Well Miller's throws sometimes looked like wounded ducks, so he sure could "wing" it.

    Yeah he needs to work on setting his feet.

    buttesnake

  • CR2011 said...

    Well Miller's throws sometimes looked like wounded ducks, so he sure could "wing" it.

    I don't disagree. But he finally has a "real' QB coach. So, he should start getting better. lol

    BucknutsFan465

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