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Grading Class 134: Defense

  • Clarkw267 said...

    How is is "on the light side"?

    We didn't have a big need at LB, and got two top 6 prospects at their positions.

    Who are the supers ready to come in and contribute? Nobody knows this.

    Dorial Green-Beckham was rated higher than Amari Cooper by everybody on earth without the last name Cooper. Safe to say that Cooper contributed a hell of a lot more than DGB.

    Why the censored are you arguing just for the sake of arguing with how I ranked them

    I think mccray is so so instinct wise and needs to work on a lot. I love gedeon, but its just two backers. I never said we had a huge need but if you. Think we wouldnt get an upgrade by adding a jaylon smith you are too stupid to be on here.

    This post was edited by buttesnake on 2/15/2013 at 5:26 PM

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  • mattkomp said...

    and you are saying his grade of an A is justifiable?

    Yes. He is a consensus top 5 player at his position(top 100 in the nation). Any team in the country would be thrilled to land a top 5 QB any year. Not to mention he was Michigan's plan A guy at QB so yeah I would grade it out as an A.

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  • SteelBlue0348 said...

    I would have the QB graded at B+ because we only took 1.
    JT Barrett---->C-

    Thats exactly how I feel. Although clark may jump in and tell you how it should be different because HE feels we only needed one qb

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    Why the fuck are you arguing just for the sake of arguing with how I ranked them

    I think mccray is so so instinct wise and needs to work on a lot. I love gedeon, but its just two backers. I never said we had a huge need but if you. Think we wouldnt get an upgrade by adding a jaylon smith you are too stupid to be on here.

    First of all, why are you getting so upset that you need to curse?

    Secondly, if you want to start questioning someone's intelligence you might want to learn how to form proper sentences.

    I'm asking for you to explain your grades. If you can't do it without acting like a prick then don't respond. We got 2 guys ranked in the top 6 at their positions. A position where we arguably have the most depth on our current team, yet you grade that as just above average.

    When did I ever say Jaylon Smith wouldn't help?

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    Thats exactly how I feel. Although clark may jump in and tell you how it should be different because HE feels we only needed one qb

    Really man? Grow up. If you can't handle an opposing thought, and explain your position on something, then you probably shouldn't post it on a board devoted to the discussion of recruiting.

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  • mattkomp said...

    nah I would give Barrett a B... cant fault the kid for getting injured, his numbers would have been better if he finished the season

    How is Shane overrated and Barrett is not? Shane got sick (mono). Barrett gets injured. They both missed significant time this season. How is that different? I have never been able to understand buckeye logic.

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  • SteelBlue0348 said...

    How is Shane overrated and Barrett is not? Shane got sick (mono). Barrett gets injured. They both missed significant time this season. How is that different? I have never been able to understand buckeye logic.

    I can't understand why both sides can't just admit that each team got a very good QB prospect.

    They both have faults, but both have the potential to be very good college starters

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  • mattkomp said...

    Well that isnt what makes him overrated per say, How did you come up with that exactly? I stated that from everything I have heard and read he under preformed this past season and didnt seem to truly be deserving of where he was ranked.. therefor making him "overrated"

    So you really havent seen anything on Shane? You just go by what others tell you? Gotcha! lol

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  • mattkomp said...

    Well that isnt what makes him overrated per say, How did you come up with that exactly? I stated that from everything I have heard and read he under preformed this past season and didnt seem to truly be deserving of where he was ranked.. therefor making him "overrated"

    shrug you mentioned him overtaking Gardner like that had something to do with him being overrated. Personally, I would love to see every QB redshirt a year and then probably be the backup and see some time his freshman year before he gets to start.

    The rankings are off potential more than anything. Shane dropped a bit in the rankings based on his performance this year but the kid still has a ton of potential.

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    First of all, why are you getting so upset that you need to curse?

    Secondly, if you want to start questioning someone's intelligence you might want to learn how to form proper sentences.

    I'm asking for you to explain your grades. If you can't do it without acting like a prick then don't respond. We got 2 guys ranked in the top 6 at their positions. A position where we arguably have the most depth on our current team, yet you grade that as just above average.

    When did I ever say Jaylon Smith wouldn't help?

    Because you are being argumentative. And just because I "curse" doesnt mean im upset

    My point is that you want to give the highest grade, but what would happen if we added a smith? I just dont like giving out really high grades to a position with two players. Especially one that I find marginal. That is why.
    And lets not act like intelligence is related how I type while I drive

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    Really man? Grow up. If you can't handle an opposing thought, and explain your position on something, then you probably shouldn't post it on a board devoted to the discussion of recruiting.

    Because I have seen you argue with people just to argue. Had it been ANYONE else I would have simply explained it.

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  • Kyle, calm down a little bit man. No need to curse or take personal shots.

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    Because you are being argumentative. And just because I "curse" doesnt mean im upset

    My point is that you want to give the highest grade, but what would happen if we added a smith? I just dont like giving out really high grades to a position with two players. Especially one that I find marginal. That is why. And lets not act like intelligence is related how I type while I drive

    It's called a discussion. I presented a different view, and gave reasons why. I pointed out that nobody knows who the supers that are ready to come in and contribute are until they get on the field in spring practice. Not even the coaches who recruit the kids.

    There is no need to get all defensive over me trying to understand why you gave the grades you did.

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  • Ducksworth said...

    Kyle, calm down a little bit man. No need to curse or take personal shots.

    My bad, ducks

    Sorry clark

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  • mattkomp said...

    Do you go to a Doctor's appt and tell him what is wrong with you or do you listen to a professional? I listen to what is said, and what i read.... from what I remember he didnt show well at the Elite 11 and I think when they played against Cleveland St. Ignatious he was out played by their QB.... for the record I think Barrett is underrated a bit, I agree with the other dude we both got good QB's but, Morris had the big time ratings and really hasnt proven his worth.

    First off comparing breaking down game films and what doctors do is the dumbest thing Ive heard in a while. I dont know about you but I come from a rather large family of coached and have been watching film since I was 6-7 years old. Having said that I try to watch as much film as well as go to as many games as possible and make my own judgement of the kid. I do take into consideration what the professional analysts say, but they do not determine what I think about a kid.

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  • mattkomp said...

    Do you go to a Doctor's appt and tell him what is wrong with you or do you listen to a professional? I listen to what is said, and what i read.... from what I remember he didnt show well at the Elite 11 and I think when they played against Cleveland St. Ignatious he was out played by their QB.... for the record I think Barrett is underrated a bit, I agree with the other dude we both got good QB's but, Morris had the big time ratings and really hasnt proven his worth.

    Your last statement is where we disagree. I have heard many many recruiting guys say Shane can sling it. He is a bit inconsistent with his accuracy now but I don't think any of them wouldn't have him in their top 5 nationally.

    Using the St Iggy game is just silly if you ask me. St. Iggy is just a much much better team than Shane's team was.

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    Because I have seen you argue with people just to argue. Had it been ANYONE else I would have simply explained it.

    shrug Okay man. I'll put you on ignore , since you obviously can't have a good discussion without imagining some kind of criticism that was never there.

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  • I shouldnt let personal stuff leak into a stupid message board. Sorry guys

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  • kylebennett7127 said...

    I shouldnt let personal stuff leak into a stupid message board. Sorry guys

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  • mattkomp said...

    Actually the comparson works quite well if you think about it, I use the professional wisdom of various sites to gather an opinion, professionals like Doctors that have done this as long as you, maybe longer and probably have watched more film than you. I use the professional wisdom of a Doctor when I need to.... I dont think saying well I have been sick before so I know what is exactly going on here and I can take care of it. Your opinion is fine, its your opinion.... you can defend it like I will defend mine. It doesnt make you right, which I dont think you are but hey that is the purpose of these boards. buckeyes

    But I trust myself and what I observe and see. So if I feel pain in my knee and the doctor tells me it's nothing, I'm going to say "hmm well there's pain in my knee so I'm gonna go to a different doctor and get a second opinion"

    Same as with recruiting. I've seen a lot of these guys live (including Shane) and I've watched all their highlight tapes. I trust what I see over what some random analyst says.

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  • mattkomp said...

    Actually the comparson works quite well if you think about it, I use the professional wisdom of various sites to gather an opinion, professionals like Doctors that have done this as long as you, maybe longer and probably have watched more film than you. I use the professional wisdom of a Doctor when I need to.... I dont think saying well I have been sick before so I know what is exactly going on here and I can take care of it. Your opinion is fine, its your opinion.... you can defend it like I will defend mine. It doesnt make you right, which I dont think you are but hey that is the purpose of these boards. buckeyes

    Just keep listening to BK and everyone else. Be sure to never have an original thought of your own. Be a blind follower 4 ever.

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  • mattkomp said...

    Do you go to a Doctor's appt and tell him what is wrong with you or do you listen to a professional? I listen to what is said, and what i read.... from what I remember he didnt show well at the Elite 11 and I think when they played against Cleveland St. Ignatious he was out played by their QB.... for the record I think Barrett is underrated a bit, I agree with the other dude we both got good QB's but, Morris had the big time ratings and really hasnt proven his worth.

    Morris did win the MVP of the Columbus regional, beating out a lot of other good QBs (Trubisky, Zaire [who finished in the Elite 11], Burns, Alviti, Etling, etc.), so it's a bit ridiculous to say he really hasn't proven his worth if part of your evaluation is the Elite 11 process.

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  • CMXI said...

    Morris did win the MVP of the Columbus regional, beating out a lot of other good QBs (Trubisky, Zaire [who finished in the Elite 11], Burns, Alviti, Etling, etc.), so it's a bit ridiculous to say he really hasn't proven his worth if part of your evaluation is the Elite 11 process.

    Didn't every reporter say that Morris was in the top 2-3 everyday? And where surprised he didn't make the final elite 11?

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  • Mblue4life said...

    Didn't every reporter say that Morris was in the top 2-3 everyday? And where surprised he didn't make the final elite 11?

    Yep. Not sure about the entire Elite 11, but there was a bunch of controversy over Shane Cockerille. He was one of Trent Dilfer's hand-picked invites, and many felt that he really didn't show up at all, and certainly not enough to earn a spot in the Elite 11.

    Also, honestly, I don't think anyone believes Asiantii Woulard is the best QB in America.

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  • mattkomp said...

    QB-A? have you seen him compete the last year, very overrated IMO

    Shane has the strongest arm in the class and his intangibles are fantastic. His ceiling is through the roof.

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