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  • Michmania said...

    Yes it has. Let them go after high school or make them stay 2-3 years.

    Not sure if you care or not, but Devin Booker is visiting UNC and Duke next week.

    NCAA needs a 2-year rule. Three is too much IMO. But the difference in knowing a future commit will be playing for your program during his sophomore year must be a huge load off the coaches' shoulders, as it is often the best players who leave after their freshman years. If you have one mediocre year in recruiting, teamed with unforeseen attrition, the program's entire next season and possibly the season after that could be wiped down the drain instantaneously. A two-year requirement would change all of that, improve the quality of the sport, and not hinder anyone's professional potential.

    Exception/Devil's advocate: If Lebron James is coming through high school, let him go pro. Obviously this exception would never happen, but to think Lebron had over 100 million dollars waiting for him the day he graduated high school is insane. And to think there's a rule forcing him to wait two years to receive the money he's earned, well, it's ridiculous. It's his life and he should get the contract(s) he wants when he's legally able to accept them.

    With all this said, to tell someone all they have to do is go live a celebrity lifestyle in college for two years with millions waiting for them on the other side, there should never be a complaint.

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  • Yeah more that I think about it, three is too long.

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  • Mitch Again said...

    NCAA needs a 2-year rule. Three is too much IMO. But the difference in knowing a future commit will be playing for your program during his sophomore year must be a huge load off the coaches' shoulders, as it is often the best players who leave after their freshman years. If you have one mediocre year in recruiting, teamed with unforeseen attrition, the program's entire next season and possibly the season after that could be wiped down the drain instantaneously. A two-year requirement would change all of that, improve the quality of the sport, and not hinder anyone's professional potential.

    Exception/Devil's advocate: If Lebron James is coming through high school, let him go pro. Obviously this exception would never happen, but to think Lebron had over 100 million dollars waiting for him the day he graduated high school is insane. And to think there's a rule forcing him to wait two years to receive the money he's earned, well, it's ridiculous. It's his life and he should get the contract(s) he wants when he's legally able to accept them.

    With all this said, to tell someone all they have to do is go live a celebrity lifestyle in college for two years with millions waiting for them on the other side, there should never be a complaint.

    The best way to deal with all of this is to use the same concept that the MLB and NCAA uses. Either you go pro immediately after high school or you go to school for the 3 years

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  • I also think that we should apply the MLB concept to college basketball. However, I would make the limit 2 years because someone that blows up as a sophomore (after learning to adapt as a freshman) should be able to leave.

    Think about GR3. He started off hot as a freshman but seems to have hit the freshman wall. But suppose that he averages 18ppg/7rpg/3apg as a sophomore. IMO, he should be able to leave. As a Michigan fan I would love it if he returned for a junior season but GR3 needs to look out for his own.

    I realize that the 3 year limit would provide more stability but I want what's best for these kids. Nerlen Noels' injury weighs heavily on my mind. For kids like him, basketball is more than just a game. It's a way out to a better life.

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  • I know it's off topic. But man watching the Wisconsin / Minny game tonight is murderous to the human soul. Minny 9 points with under 5 minutes to go in the first half. Geez. That is until theymade a 3 ball at the 4:54 mark.

    frustrated

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  • We are 2 games back of both IU and MSU. Anyone who wasn't overly concerned about the Wisconsin loss was not realistic to the situation. That tanked our B1G championship possibilities.

    "We're here to preserve democracy, not practice it." Go Army! Go Blue!

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  • Rockhound said...

    We are 2 games back of both IU and MSU. Anyone who wasn't overly concerned about the Wisconsin loss was not realistic to the situation. That tanked our B1G championship possibilities.

    No it didn't. We're two games back of IU and MSU. If we win out, that would mean beating IU and MSU. So then we'd be one game back. One of them will lose on Tuesday, which means we'd be tied with that team. The other team (hopefully MSU) just needs to lose one more game (@OSU, Wisc in EL) and we'll all be tied.

    It's very easy for us to win the Big Ten. We just need to win out. If we don't, we won't win the Big Ten. Pretty simple.

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  • Not sure what's uglier, number 33 on OSU or the jerseys themselves.

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  • Rockhound said...

    We are 2 games back of both IU and MSU. Anyone who wasn't overly concerned about the Wisconsin loss was not realistic to the situation. That tanked our B1G championship possibilities.

    No one likes to lose games. We've lost a total of four this season, all on the road to very good teams. Try to enjoy the season. Seasons like this don't come around very often.

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  • One of the best put-back dunks I've ever seen in the Wiscy game just now. Holy shit.

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  • I think this puts things in perspective (after the home game against Penn)...

    "We've played the 3rd hardest schedule and have the 3rd youngest team in the country. We just have to move on." - John Beilein

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  • Frank C said...

    I think this puts things in perspective (after the home game against Penn)...

    "We've played the 3rd hardest schedule and have the 3rd youngest team in the country. We just have to move on." - John Beilein

    +1 thank you for that. This is are first really good team in a long time. People act like if they don't win the NC this is a busted season. This is just the first of many good years to come

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  • Frank C said...

    I think this puts things in perspective (after the home game against Penn)...

    "We've played the 3rd hardest schedule and have the 3rd youngest team in the country. We just have to move on." - John Beilein

    That is a good reminder. The talent of this team makes it easy to overlook those facts. Plus, many of the freshman spent half the season looking so composed, it was hard to believe they would ever hit a wall.

    AmaizeNblue

  • BLUEinTX said...

    +1 thank you for that. This is are first really good team in a long time. People act like if they don't win the NC this is a busted season. This is just the first of many good years to come

    I think it's the perspective of losing Burke, Hardaway and Robinson after this year which makes a lot of us impatient. There might be a positive future ahead of us but at the moment we don't have seem to have the depth to be very good year-in year-out like the powerhouses. Youth is very relative today, because ironically the more talented you are the younger you will be as your players leave after 1-2 seasons. Kentucky was very young last year, they are even younger this year and they are paying for it, but at the same time they have the recruiting power with Calipari to replace each leaving star with an incoming star.

    We don't yet. I mean what's next year's starting five and is that a tournament team? It looks dubious at the moment.

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  • UMSkeletor said...

    I think it's the perspective of losing Burke, Hardaway and Robinson after this year which makes a lot of us impatient. There might be a positive future ahead of us but at the moment we don't have seem to have the depth to be very good year-in year-out like the powerhouses. Youth is very relative today, because ironically the more talented you are the younger you will be as your players leave after 1-2 seasons. Kentucky was very young last year, they are even younger this year and they are paying for it, but at the same time they have the recruiting power with Calipari to replace each leaving star with an incoming star.

    We don't yet. I mean what's next year's starting five and is that a tournament team? It looks dubious at the moment.

    I would be shocked if Michigan does not make the tourney next year, even if Burke, Hardaway and Robinson leave.

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  • UMSkeletor said...

    I think it's the perspective of losing Burke, Hardaway and Robinson after this year which makes a lot of us impatient. There might be a positive future ahead of us but at the moment we don't have seem to have the depth to be very good year-in year-out like the powerhouses. Youth is very relative today, because ironically the more talented you are the younger you will be as your players leave after 1-2 seasons. Kentucky was very young last year, they are even younger this year and they are paying for it, but at the same time they have the recruiting power with Calipari to replace each leaving star with an incoming star.

    We don't yet. I mean what's next year's starting five and is that a tournament team? It looks dubious at the moment.

    Assuming at least one of GRIII, Burke, and Hardaway stay, then I think Michigan makes the tournament. The lineup would be something like Walton, Levert/Hardaway, Stauskas, Irvin, Morgan/McGary. Then you'd have Albrecht, Horford, and Bielfeldt coming off the bench. That's not a bad lineup (especially if Irvin ends up being as good as I think he will be). Obviously that group wouldn't be as effective, but I'd be surprised if they didn't make the tourney.

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  • elmn12 said...

    Assuming at least one of GRIII, Burke, and Hardaway stay, then I think Michigan makes the tournament. The lineup would be something like Walton, Levert/Hardaway, Stauskas, Irvin, Morgan/McGary. Then you'd have Albrecht, Horford, and Bielfeldt coming off the bench. That's not a bad lineup (especially if Irvin ends up being as good as I think he will be). Obviously that group wouldn't be as effective, but I'd be surprised if they didn't make the tourney.

    Don't forget Mark Donnal. He could be a key component at the 4 spot. We don't have a true 4 on the team right now.

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  • UMSkeletor said...

    We don't yet. I mean what's next year's starting five and is that a tournament team? It looks dubious at the moment.

    Yes it is.

    McGary, Stauskas, Walton, Levert, and one of THJ/GR3 will stay at least.

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    I would be shocked if Michigan does not make the tourney next year, even if Burke, Hardaway and Robinson leave.

    Well, we'll find out. The team is so centred around Burke, if you take him out they look like a team that would struggle in NAIA play. But of course they'll have a long summer to figure things out.

    Another thing, I just went over to MGoblog and saw the defensive stats, things are as bad as they look. I am getting irritated with Beilein on that front because the D is so bad that coaching has to be taken into equation, I don't think Beilein is the Rich Rod of basketball coaches, but come on, yes, you are a very young team playing a very difficult schedule but Penn State is very crap and thus there are no excuses if you can't even stop them. And let's be honest, this isn't *purely* a new thing ether, the D struggled at times vs. mediocre opposition early in the year too. "Just let the kids play" isn't going to get them very far.

    UMSkeletor

  • UMSkeletor said...

    Well, we'll find out. The team is so centred around Burke, if you take him out they look like a team that would struggle in NAIA play. But of course they'll have a long summer to figure things out.

    Another thing, I just went over to MGoblog and saw the defensive stats, things are as bad as they look. I am getting irritated with Beilein on that front because the D is so bad that coaching has to be taken into equation, I don't think Beilein is the Rich Rod of basketball coaches, but come on, yes, you are a very young team playing a very difficult schedule but Penn State is very crap and thus there are no excuses if you can't even stop them. And let's be honest, this isn't *purely* a new thing ether, the D struggled at times vs. mediocre opposition early in the year too. "Just let the kids play" isn't going to get them very far.

    Trey Burke is the PG. The team is supposed to center around him. Also, FWIW, 68 teams will make the NCAA tourney this year and only one of them has Trey Burke. We have as much or more talent than 90% of the teams in the country and that will continue to be the case even after Trey Burke leaves for the NBA. We will take a step back, but we will be fine.

    MrWoodson ●

  • Latest AP Poll: Indiana remains 1, MSU jumps to 4, we drop to 7.

    No surprises, no complaints. At this point the rankings are arbitrary to a certain extent. All we know is that the B1G is damn good. Let me repeat, damn good.

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  • UMSkeletor said...

    Well, we'll find out. The team is so centred around Burke, if you take him out they look like a team that would struggle in NAIA play. But of course they'll have a long summer to figure things out.

    Another thing, I just went over to MGoblog and saw the defensive stats, things are as bad as they look. I am getting irritated with Beilein on that front because the D is so bad that coaching has to be taken into equation, I don't think Beilein is the Rich Rod of basketball coaches, but come on, yes, you are a very young team playing a very difficult schedule but Penn State is very crap and thus there are no excuses if you can't even stop them. And let's be honest, this isn't *purely* a new thing ether, the D struggled at times vs. mediocre opposition early in the year too. "Just let the kids play" isn't going to get them very far.

    The team was also centered around Darius Morris. He left and we were fine. That's what happens in college, especially college basketball. You only get the good players a couple of years if you are lucky. You recruit other good players and develop kids to be the next man up. Walton is a very good recruit coming in to run the point. Zak Irvin is a very good recruit coming in to play the wing spot. Sure we will be young again and will probably take a step back but to think that there won't be talent and that this team won't make the tourney is just crazy to me.

    Michigan's D was pretty solid last year so I don't think you can put it all on Coach B. Playing as many freshman as we do i expected the D to take a step back this year, especially early. I thought the D was coming along until Jordan Morgan went out. When Morgan went down Coach B said he was the heart of our D and it seems that Coach B might of been right on that. I really don't think Coach B disregards or thinks playing D is unimportant.

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  • Mitch Again said...

    Latest AP Poll: Indiana remains 1, MSU jumps to 4, we drop to 7.

    No surprises, no complaints. At this point the rankings are arbitrary to a certain extent. All we know is that the B1G is damn good. Let me repeat, damn good.

    I would not put MSU ahead of Duke or Florida. I would bump both of those up 1 and drop MSU to 6 but that's just me nitpicking.

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    The team was also centered around Darius Morris. He left and we were fine. That's what happens in college, especially college basketball. You only get the good players a couple of years if you are lucky. You recruit other good players and develop kids to be the next man up. Walton is a very good recruit coming in to run the point. Zak Irvin is a very good recruit coming in to play the wing spot. Sure we will be young again and will probably take a step back but to think that there won't be talent and that this team won't make the tourney is just crazy to me.

    Michigan's D was pretty solid last year so I don't think you can put it all on Coach B. Playing as many freshman as we do i expected the D to take a step back this year, especially early. I thought the D was coming along until Jordan Morgan went out. When Morgan went down Coach B said he was the heart of our D and it seems that Coach B might of been right on that. I really don't think Coach B disregards or thinks playing D is unimportant.

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