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How about Bellomy to start the second half? Then see where the run game is at and go from there
Why? Denard is our best option at QB and we were only down by 10. The simple fact is that if Denard didn't perform better we were not going to win. He can't perform on the bench.
Cannot believe that this topic received as many responses as it did...
I can't believe that the Michigan fan base that follows a program derived from sayings like "the team, the team, the team", and "no one player is bigger than the team" has now come to shun taking out players for continually making the same poor decisions with the football.
Denard Robinson made several terrible decisions, decisions that he has made terribly in previous games. This means he is not being accountable thus making the same mistakes over, and over, and over and the coaches just keep sending him out there.
That is not the kind of Michigan football I was raised on, and not the kind of football this program was built on. No one player can hi-jack the team, and that is exactly what happened on Sat night.
If Denard doesn't want to take care of the football, he can sit on the bench and maybe he can start to figure it out from there.
Didn't Bellomy throw an int in one of his only attempts this year?
Denard can make plays when given the opportunity, which started happening there for a minute w/ the play-calling but then reverted back to a play-action that never worked the entire game for another turnover.
The problem is that Denard Robinson is the only chance we have at winning the big ten. That's the simple truth as to why he hasn't been replaced. You take the good with the bad.
Better be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. Without Denard at QB, this could be a pretty mediocre football team. At the moment, a 12-2 season is a realistic possibility. Without Denard, 8-6 is more likely.
Next year -- when Denard's gone and Hoke reverts to the I-formation, pocket-passing offense he prefers -- a lot of us here might wish we had him back.
'We are attacking that like animals right now.'
There has to be a couple of posters on this board that don't believe that Denard is the problem, aren't there!? To me, Borges is the problem. I'm sick of hearing "we need to execute" (I guarantee you at the next presser, Al will be asked about Vincent Smith throwing the ball in the endzone, and his comeback will be: "we execute, we score"...this while attempting to open a water bottle with furious might/will). Why try and "execute" with stupid play calling? Have better play calling and execution will be there, that's my take. Obviously, no matter how stupid the play call is, if you execute....great! There's a fine line (or not) between lucky outcomes from stupid calls and smart play calling.
The bottom line is this....I think Borges has too much pride when looking at his past and working with QBs how they are successful in "year 2" of his system. Borges has himself sold on the fact that he can turn Denard into an efficient passer. So much that he has Denard thinking that he could be a good passer. It's Denard's senior year!!! The kid is beyond special when he's given the opportunity to go out and do what he does best. If anyone is questioning this....take a look at what happened his FIRST SNAP while playing QB at Michigan. Let Denard be Denard. Period...end of story! If Denard doesn't have a coach screwing with is head the way Borges is right now....we beat ND and quite convincingly. JMO
That interception (during the 4th quarter of the Alabama game) was on Vincent Smith who tipped the ball.
Vincent Smith also tipped a Denard Robinson pass during the Air Force game that was intercepted.
Shockingly, Smith is turnover prone in the passing game. He is responsible for a turnover in 3 out of 4 games.
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Michigan quarterbacks historically aren't counted on to necessarily win the game, but first and foremast don't lose the game, take care of the football, and operate with-in the offense.
I can't wait to see this type of philosophy on offense, coupled with a physical, well disciplined, good tackling defense.
Sounds pretty appealing to me, but I might be in the minority.
I couldn't care less what kind of football you were raised on. That has what to do with this thread? Nothing whatsoever. Michigan now has a HC who is far more aggressive than the HC's who piloted the program when you were "being raised." Love it or leave it alone.
LMAO @ Denard "hi-jacking" the team. No further response to that particular statement is necessary.
Did you push your bowl of angry onions aside and consider that Al Borges called:
Plays that try to turn a running quarterback into a pocket passer? Consider:
A play that had a redshirt freshman fullback trying to block Prince Shembo? Interception.
A waggle that had Tuitt unblocked in Denard's face? Interception!
A play that resulted in Te'o unblocked closing in quickly on Denard? INTERCEPTION!
He had called another passing play - which resulted in another player in Denard's face - after Denard's previous two passes were intercepted.
I bet you didn't. Obviously pressure + Denard = generally not good results, so precisely why are plays being called that put him the that position? And despite all of that, they were always in the game - one big play away from tying, and perhaps winning, the game. Heh @ sitting your most explosive offensive player when the team lacks elite receivers who consistently get separation and the running game was stonewalled by their front seven.
As an OC your job is to put your best players in the best position to succeed. Denard's strength isn't pocket passing; it's read option and play-action passing that freezes linebackers, pulls up safeties, and frees up seam routes (Brian Cook called them "QB OH NOES"). THAT'S why in 2010 his passing stats were...deceptively good, and that's why Roy Roundtree had the yards he did.
By the same token, no, Borges isn't a spread guru. Point being NOBODY hijacked ANYTHING; there is blame to go all around, hence me smirking at this knee-jerk creation of a thread.
This post has been edited 8 times, most recently by Kenetic 22 months ago
Bo let Demetrius Brown chuck 7 intrceptions in a loss to Sparty.
Pressure + Denard = not throwing it out of bounds like QBs are supposed to do.
Taylor was hurt. There was no other option.
Is he a "traditional" QB with traditional QB instincts? Does he look off safeties? Have you ever - like, EVER - seen him pump fake? I haven't.
So why it still surprises people that he doesn't consistently respond how groomed, polished pocket passers do is beyond me.
1st thing 1st.... This was my thought Saturday while I was pulling what hair is left on my 40 year old head.
secondly There really is only a few people to blame for this Crap we are calling " Michigan Football"
Lets start with the fans that wanted coach Carr gone, ya he wasn't recruiting very well but we did have a good close to his final few games. And I believe we would have done better than 6 wins in 3 years with him and the players he recruited. IMO of course.
2nd lets blame the AD for what maybe the unintentional death penalty that he bestowed upon us " Michigan Football" with the hiring of Rich Rod.
3rd Rich Rod for not hiring a damn Defensive coach worth as plum nickle, the offense of course was the best I have seen from Michigan in some time but when your scoring 50 and allowing 55 it does not win games.
4th Coach Hoke for not having the testicular fortitude to remove Denard after his 4th f_n turnover .
5th Denard for not knowing the difference between Maize and/or Gold .. Jesus we have winged helmets for the love of god, also again Denard for not understanding when to take a sack or throw the ball out of bounds!
6th Of course Coach Al....what can I say here , RUN THE F_N BALL DIPSHIT!!!!! You have dual threat Qb that can not throw for shit and your dropping back like you have a one. Well you don't so you know ! Do what it takes to win the game you will have the off season to work with the other traditional Qbs why are you trying to make Denard a Pocket passer in his senior season? Makes no sense to me at all. I could keep going but I will save the rant for the State game I am sure I will need it!
7th The rest of the team for not smacking the crap out of Denard after the 3rd INT.... that was a joke of course!!
Well I guess I am done for now.
Personally I don't care about your ridiculous continuation of no accountability and if the new head coach wants to continue on that path I will assure you 33 straight bowl appearances and every class having a big ten championship are a thing of the distant past. Denard has the ball in his hand he can throw it to whom ever he pleases, that includes out of bounds. My personal advice is anywhere but to the other team. From your post it sounds like Al Borges was throwing the passes?
Considering I said - emphasis, mine - "THERE IS BLAME TO GO ALL AROUND" you must not care about the fundamentals of reading either.
Lol @ 33 straight bowl appearances being a thing of the distant past. Hahahahahahaha.
This post was edited by Kenetic 22 months ago
Plus you down voted me, what a prick. Clearly one of those everything is everyone else's fault kind of guy. You should run for president
What it comes down to is that the coaches feel Denard is the best option for this team to win. And to be honest, I don't blame them.
I'm not sure where this "the staff doesn't believe in accountability" rhetoric came from. This staff has shown they have no problems with accountability. Last season they replaced Cam Gordon with Jake Ryan and Courtney Avery with Blake Countess as starters. This season they replaced Demens and Morgan who were playing like shit against Air Force with James Ross and Joe Bolden.
What that leads me to believe is that they see the step down in Robinson ---> Gardner/Bellomy to be so significant that Denard was the best option to win.
And as I said before, I also don't think you bring in a quarterback for his first significant game snaps on the road at night against your rival in a close game "just to see if he can do better."
This post was edited by vcmarsh1 22 months ago
Only problem I've had with Hoke from day 1, was announcing denard as the starting qb before 1 practice. Should've dove right into what WILL be our offense, and say may the best man win. I really don't think DR wins on that 1. Now, there would've been some growing pains last year and I don't think we would've won as many as we had, but coming into this year and especially next year, we as a team would've been much better off. This is setting every single offensive player currently with the team, and who will be back next year, back in their development. ESPECIALLY the olinemen, who will be learning a whole new system immediately after whatever bowl game (I assume) we go to this year. I'm absolutely convinced that the decision to start DR from day 1 of Hoke being hired, came from above his head.
I respectfully disagree.
His philosophy: A coaches job is to do the best he can with the personnel he has. He had players suited to play the spread, so he incorporates into his gameplan. As he recruits his own guys, he continues to run what's best for his current players, while instituting new principals that will become his future offense.
The Result: A Sugar Bowl victory, which was our first BCS bowl in in how long????? And we are very much in the running to win the Big Ten title in year number two. So basically, his rebuilding years are producing about as good of results as we've had since 1997.
And here's Hoke's Losses:
1. MSU - We probably just weren't as good as they were unfortunately.
2. Iowa - We had it. Blame the officials or not, Hoke gave the boys a chance to win.
3. Bama - Nobody could have coached our team to a victory in that.
4. ND - 5 really really plays in a row, and there's your ball game. Otherwise we likely win and are top 15 right now.
I'm very appreciative of the job Hoke has done, and am more excited for Saturday to come than I've been in many years.
I would take these calls for Bellomy a lot more seriously if these people said: "You know what, this team isn't going to win with Denard, we may as well bring in a younger guy and focus on the future instead." but in reality these guys are the guys who will cuss and scream if Bellomy comes in and completes 2 out of 12 for 18 yards and 2 picks and a fumble and talk about how that's embarrassing and not the Michigan football they grew up with etc. etc.
These guys actually expect Bellomy to magically be better than Denard even though there is zero indication that would be the case and no qualified observer would believe such a thing, in other words they entirely lack credibility.
Exactly. And I don't think we are setting ourselves back at all by transitioning slowly.
Just like playing a new type of offense, winning is a skill that you have to practice. In the transition period, I think there's a lot of value in continuing to have successful seasons. I want our Freshmen to get used to walking off the field a winner as many times as possible...get that feeling/habit engrained.
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