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Yeah, for the most part, I do a lot of my homework late at night and this is a nice break from it. I've always pretty much been a night owl.
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
Yea I'm a night owl as well. I'm guessing you go to school at a&m or did I mess that all up?
You're right, I stayed in Texas for college to play baseball, I'm hoping to get my masters from Michigan after I graduate. You in school?
Here and there lol, I'm in the navy so I take classes when I can. My major is computer science but I deployed 4 times in 6 years on my first ship so basically I couldn't get anything done.
Wait, so you play baseball for A&M?
That's cool to hear, man. Thanks for your service. I have plenty of my family that served, always appreciated it. What do you want to do after the navy?
No, I stayed in Texas at a junior college because I had Tommy John's surgery and my arm never fully healed. I then transferred to Texas A&M because I wanted to get my degree and not be to far from home.
I am torn on wanting the other teams in the B10 to do well, too. It's been a nightmare just having to listen to Sparty fans these past few years. Yet it's been equally embarrassing watching the draft the past two nights and seeing all the first round draft picks coming out of the SEC. There"s no doubt that OSU has been carrying the B10 banner nationally since at least 2007, but I finally feel Michigan is on path to get back to that level. Still, given how much the SEC has stepped up its game over the past decade, two elite B10 teams is not enough. Nebraska and PSU also need to seriously step up their games if the B10 is ever going to be able to stand toe-to-toe as a conference with the SEC again.
Thanks for your support, and I have decided to do a full career so I got about 12 1/2 years to figure it out.
I agree i think PSU and Nebraska would be the next best candidates to help the Big Ten overtake the SEC. Personally, I think with the talent coming out of Illinois if they can get a good coach who can keep that talent in state they could be a pretty good program as well. Then throw in a solid Wisconsin and Iowa teams here and there and the Big Ten would be a strong conference. MSU can go all the way to the bottom as far as i am concerned.
I completely agree with you, it is hard to root for the teams/rivals you don't care much for but the better we all do the better it is for us all. It's not just you guys either PSU has faltered which caused a false emergence of MSU (not a shot at MSU I just think a lot of their success was because of failure from the rest of the big ten and I hope they continue to be good). We need to have teams in the top ten and at least competing for NC's on a consistent level.
Rich Rod recruited 3 star talent that had offers from teams like Toledo. If Rich Rod could put a defense together, his teams would have been scary. I don't know how you can have that good of an offense and not be at the top of the conference. Urban has already proven himself. He doesn't need to make a name out of TOSU like he did at Utah or rebuild a national name that had fallen like Florida. Urban WILL put together a great team, but unlike Tressel he is letting the rest of the conference come into Ohio and take some great prospects.
Which team in the country beat not one but two bcs teams and the third place team from the sec? I guess it's fine to hope it's a false assention, perhaps it is. I've watched a lot of football in fifty years and have watched some phony teams who gave promise to false programs, many right at MSU. This program is different. I don't know it's a NC program, but disregarding it teams do so at their own peril.
MSU, at least for the next two or three years will pull it's weight as far as enhancing the overall strength of the big ten. That's a truth that wasn't true in the past. As much as you might hate it in football or we might hate it in basketball, it helps our league and in the end helps our schools if we can win that game between us. That's what makes the football and basketball seasons more fun, more frustrating, and more exciting.
You apparently missed my point. I don't care if MSU carries their weight in the Big Ten. As far as i am concerned Sparty can turn into the worst football program in the country.
Fair enough. Noted.
Ps. MSU is not your rival, we're third.
This post was edited by DWags 2 years ago
Sparty has had a nice 2-year run, but let's not overstate the situation. Until the past two years, Sparty has been a "bottom half of the B10" team since the mid 60s. That is roughly half your existence as a football program. And two unusually good seasons does not suddenly make you UM or OSU. It also doesn't make you PSU, Nebraska, Iowa or Wisconsin. Heck, even NW has been to more Rose Bowls in the past 20 years. I think we all should wait just a little bit longer before we declare that Dantonio has fundamentally changed the football landscape in the B10 forever.
You act like I don't know that stuff. MSU has not been a good football team for years. I have suffered MSU football way more than I have enjoyed it. I know good programs, Michigan and OSU have had good programs (Osu maybe has taken some short cuts other teams haven't). MSU's program has sucked for years. Proof? Denny, Daryl, Muddy, George, Nick, Bobby, Morris, John L., Mark Dantonio. 9 coaches in 35 years. How does that make a stable environment? It didnt'. We've had some coaches who ran a very professional practice, it was a pleasure to watch, and I got to work with them in the summer. However, MSU was nothing more than a stepping stone for them. Nick Saban in a coaches meeting, with 5 visiting summer coaches said and I quote "If I dont' think I can win here, I won't be here". I never took that as his belief he thought MSU could become a winner, I took it as his skepticism the Malfunctioning family could get it together enough for him to stay. Turned out I was right. When Saban beat U of M in 99, and seemed to have the thing headed safely into a different territory, he went to McPhearson and asked for things. Not just more for himself as so many Spartans on the RCMB will tell you because they hate him for leaving, but he asked for PROGRAM things. More money for recruiting, a secretarial staff for football only. A Duffy Dougherty buildind staff of it's own to take care of helmets shoulder pads etc thursday nights and not have to borrow custodians from the physical plant to do that. He wanted, as did Perles, the stadium to have the suites we finally built when he left. He wanted the scoreboard we're getting in this year (I'm told 4th largest in the nation), he wanted a players locker room and clubhouse. He mostly wanted an athletic major at MSU. We recruit players with 2.0 h.s. averages, we see them score a 17 on the ACT and then we throw them into regular classes like we think somehow they're going to become students all of the sudden. It's what got Perles in trouble with the grade changing stuff. Not excusable, but I understood what was happening. We've been so dysfuntional over the last 35 years that it's been a miracle that we've been to any bowls let alone one Rose Bowl.
It's different now. All I'm saying. I've watched that program for 50 years. 40 of them I actually knew what was going on. This is different. It really is. Not saying we'll be this dynasty, that we'll be in teh Rose or like the idiot in todays Detroit news says competing for a National Championship (he has to be high). What I do know is while you think it might be some kind of fluke, I'm impressed by lack of coache leaving each season, a since of family finally, the use of Izzo and Hollis to help the team, and Dantonio's singlemindedness. Sure, he's a red ass, and he says what's on his mind, but we needed it. He gets it. I'm glad he hates Michigan. I'm glad he does that stuff where you might think it's stupid or foolish, I'm glad he started a clock and acknowledged which team we need to be able to beat first and foremost. Woody used to say he was obsessed with Michigan because if he could beat Michigan, he could beat anyone on his schedule. I don't see whats wrong with that. I know you and most of the Michigan fan base don't want this to be a "rival" game. It's why when Dantonio does things to get under your skin I think it's great. Whether you think its childish or whatever, he has your attention. It doesn't hurt us that that has happened IMO.
Changed the landscape? Nope not in the least. When after 6 final fours, 11 elite 8's a plythora of conference championships one National Championship and being voted "program of the decade" by SI, the Detroit media was ready to say the "land scape of college basketball has changed" because Michigan has made two NCAA tournaments in a row and has had one conference championship in 25 years, we at MSU get a bit chaffed too. We understand that. All we can do in football and you can do in basketball is show up and compete. Sooner or later we're either going to be found out to be frauds, or we're going to show people we can actually hold our own water. I have a feeling we will be able to compete for a while, at least with Dantonio. I've been wrong a billion times before.
Sorry it's so long.
Dantonio does not have my attention. I feel the same way about MSU as a football program as i always have. If Michigan does what Michigan is capable of doing, then even with Dantonio we will be better and will win about the same ratio of head to head battles that we have always won against MSU. The only thing that has happened the last 4 years is Michigan has not lived up to it's potential as a football powerhouse program and Dantonio has taken advantage of that.
Dantonio can hate Michigan all he wants and be as much of a douche as he wants, MSU will never be Michigan's main rival. Yes we all agree it's an in state rival matchup and give it that respect on our end, BUT MSU will never be on the same level as Ohio State as far as rivals are concerned. The sooner Dantonio realizes this the better.
I think the fundamental misunderstanding is that to Dantonio, and most of the Spartan Nation U of M is our main rival. If we're not your rival, some have said 3rd or 4th, that's fine. We dont' have an OSU clock or a ND clock or a Wisconsin clock (though I think the MSU/wisky thing in football and basketball is getting peoeples attention especially after two epic football games last year). We have a Michigan clock. Not ashamed of it, and know if we're not good enough to beat Michigan, we won't be good enough to win a championship. If we're not considered a rival by Michigan, we can't force our way into that. We have to show up, compete, and hope for the best. I've been told U of M fans love to beat OSU more than MSU, they hate to lose to MSU more than they hate to lose to OSU. I don't know, and as you say, don't care. I want the clock up, I want Michigan to have everyones full attention, I want to win that game. If we can, we can beat anyone on the schedule. It's what you measure yourself by. If we're little brother and get kicked around like 49-3, we can't beat Illinois, or Purdue, or NW, or Indiana for that matter. It's not embarrassing that you don't consider us a rival, hell, I wonder if it's an advantage because we think you are.
I never said Dantonio wasn't a good coach. And whether he sticks around or not, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks. The only thing that matters is what he does when he gets his first really good offer to go somewhere else (like Izzo and the Cavs).
As for MSU's future, I am not saying you can't become a consistently good football school. I am saying it takes much longer than two seasons. Wisconsin has spent the past 20+ years grinding away and moving up the ladder in the B10. Before Alvarez they were lower on the food chain than MSU, but Alvarez stuck around and built them into a consistent contender. And Beilema might be a total prick, but he has done an excellent job continuing what Alvarez started. Wisconsin has been to five Rose Bowls since hiring Alvarez, which probably is more than all but four or five teams in both the B10 and P12 combined. That is all I'm saying. If Dantonio turns out to be your Alvarez, great, but it's far too early to know one way or the other. And Alvarez-level coaches do not grow on trees.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 2 years ago
No doubt the key to MSU will be a stable coach. On the old RCMB, people bumped a three year old post of mine, from when Dantonio was named head coach at Cincinatti. I said congratulations to the next MSU head coach, whenever John L. leaves. Then everybody laughed. I knew he was building a resume to become the head coach at one of two school in the big ten that he loved. The other school, wasn't ever getting rid of their head coach I figured. (little did I know) I think he likes it at MSU, I hope he does. Money does a lot of things to people, but he's different than Saban and Perles. He's also 56. I hope it's his last stop. We've averaged a coach every three or four years, and it's made our program stink. No program can be good with that much change. Getting to the Rosebowl has gotten a lot more difficult though. I hope he gets there. We need luck and a favorable schedule besides being good now. Most teams in our league need that. I believe we get to dodge Wisconsin after next year. I could be all macho and say "damn, I want to beat them" but seriously, I'm not bummed we don't have to play them. I just want from MSU the type of seasons we've seen lately. I dont' think we'll be competing for NC's but big tens are not out of the question. As long as we're stable here at MSU. Who knows though.
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