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So fall camp starts tomorrow along with the thousands of updates and articles on the players the coaches have been hyping up.
As we all know, most of the practices are closed because of the return of Fort Schembechler, but there will still be the press conferences at the end of practices and occasional leaked info from different news outlets and this is the thread to post all that info in so it doesn't become all spread out through a million different threads.
Who are the players you think will step up or players who will disappoint this year? Unexpected starters?
This post was edited by MaizeandBlue21 20 months ago
I'm hoping DG at Wr makes a big impact. Could give us our jump ball threat.
Well I'll answer my own question, player to step up/exceed expectations is going to be Jibreel Black IMO. As for disappointment I going to go with JT Floyd simply because he doesn't have the athleticism to keep up with faster receivers and the ability to win jump balls with big WRs.
As for surprise starter I think Kyle Kalis starts against Bama, kid is already college ready physically, just needs to learn the playbook and he will be a 4 year starter.
I think the whole D line is going to step up and suprise people. From what I have heard they are working very hard which makes sense. Everyone is singling that group out as the weakness of this team and I think guys like Roh, Campbell and Black are taking that personally. To single one guy out from the DL i think Roh is going to have a monster year.
I also expect Jake Ryan to take a pretty big step foward this year. He was solid last year but he should/could become a absolute star this year.
As far as people who might disappoint i would go with Beyer or Morgan. Still young and i could see one of those 2 having that sophmore slump type year.
Really? Who down voted me? For what?
I agree he could turn into an absolute star with his size and speed. Defensive backs could be in for a long day with him on the outside. I hope they put him out there on the first play against Bama and go deep.
I am a little worried about Floyd at corner, but I think our safeties will be better in the back end.
I'll +1 you to balance it out. I don't really see why you'd be down voted for that. As for surprise success, I'll go with Jake Ryan. He had a ton of success last year, but I feel he'll be a star this year with more experience and a better understanding of the defense. He just seems to have a knack for blowing up plays in the backfield. For my surprise struggler, I'll go with Desmond Morgan. It doesn't seem like he has the athleticism for WILL and he looked lost at times last year. Of course we should expect improvement but the lack of athleticism could open the door for Ross to get in on some snaps. My surprise starter is Kalis, simply because he's the most college ready and that LG spot is the only position without a clear starter.
I gave you lots of +1 M&B21. I think the surprise performer will be Countless. I know he played very well last year but i think this year he is going to be outstanding! I think he will warrant all big ten honors. For my biggest disappointment i would have to go with ummmmmmmmm.......ehhhhhhhhhh........hmmmmmmm i guess Roundtree? I don't think he will live up to what i expect out of the number 1 threat at the University of Michigan. I think the Wideouts are going to struggle this year, really hope im wrong.
Surprise performer will be Jerald Robinson. He's gonna explode and become our big WR target.
Disappointment will be Black. I'm really nervous about the middle of our DL and he's just not big enough to make a big impact there. His speed will make up for it on passing downs, but he'll get bowled over way too easily unless he gets a lot bigger.
Surprise starter will be Dennis Norfleet starting as our KR/PR. Not sure if that counts as a "starter," but I don't think any other starting position will be a surprise at all.
Believe Black came in at just under 280 (want to say 278-ish), I think he can add a few and get up into the low 280's before the season starts. That's really not that small and even if they would like him a bit bigger, he should be helped by the bigger guys on each side of him (a bulked up Roh and more importantly a certain BWC). I'm sure there will be points in the season where he will be overpowered, but I don't think it will be a massive problem. Of course if I misread his weight and/or confused him with someone else, then none of what I just said mattered.
I also hope you are right about Jerald.
Really hope Beyer steps up, especially with Clark's status up in the air.
I'm not really worried about Black because he is so quick and sudden he should be able to move around those bigger slower guys in the middle as long as the guys next to him are taking up the blocker. I think he will struggle with double teams, but that's not a big deal because that would be the rest of the DL are going one on one.
He should be a solid contributor, not the most athletic, but by all accounts technically sound and can stop the run.
A 280 pound 3-tech would get absolutely abused by Bama's interior line. They'd run straight down the middle for 7-9 yards every play.
Are you basing your prediction of the Black struggling based on what you think he will do the entire season or off of one game against probably the best OL in the nation? Black could struggle against Bama if he was 290, if he does struggle I'd venture to say it has as much, if not more to do with Alabama's OL being great than Black struggling.
I love the big time freshman lineman coming in like Kalis and Pipkins. But I am not as enthusiastic about penciling them into the starting lineup like some. These kids are going from HS football to Big Ten college football. That is an enormous leap and the opposing lineman have years of BCS strength training under their belt.
Check out my 2 deep of UM's base 4-3 under defense, let me know your thoughts. Last updated: 3/28/12
I don't agree with you on that, it all matters on if the 3 tech can shed the blocker, he isn't going to be taking double teams so he primary job is to pressure the pocket. I would understand what you mean if you said 280-290 lb NT, but 3 tech in Mattison's defense seems to be more of a giant DE put inside. Saw that with RVB last year, who according Mgoblue, was only at 288 last year. 8 pounds isn't a huge difference and I would expect Jibreel to possibly be up to around 285ish by the start of the season.
I'm saying he'll struggle against powerful OLs (Wisconsin, Iowa, Alabama, etc) because they'll just run straight down his throat. He'll be wonderful in pass protection, but all of his "quickness" and "agility" will do nothing to help him against a big OL and a RB running straight at him.
I got beat up for saying the same thing last week. It really scares me.
It helps we play the 4-3 under with five guys near the line but we need more beef.
Pipkins at 340 can provide that hopefully. I just don't know what to expect from campbell.
During the season I think he was up around 300. Which still isn't massive, but it is bigger
He may look fantastic against weak teams and then be a complete liability against the power o teams.
I would not mind seeing Campbell and pipkins on first down. Peewee can get after it while chasing qb's himself and Campbell is only 308
Wasn't rvb sde, and heininger 3-tech? I'll take black.
His quickness and agility doing nothing to help him in rush defense against those big guys is just false. It could just as easily be a huge advantage for him as his size could be a disadvantage.
LSU (1st game) stopped the Alabama rush offense with a DL that wasn't overly big. Mingo and Montgomery are both speed rushers that were 250 or less that used their speed and athleticism to their advantage, Brockers was listed at 306.
Can't remember the 4th starting DL off the top of my head, but the other LSU DT on the roster and their weights:
Ego Ferguson - 283
Josh Downs - 287
Anthony Johnson - 310 (pretty sure he was a rotational guy last year)
Bennie Logan - 287
LSU's DL wasn't monstrous, they did well using their athleticism.
We're trotting out:
Beyer - 252 (about Montgomery's size last year)
BWC - 308 (about Brockers size last year)
Black - 279 (slightly smaller than the other LSU starting DT, though he still has a bit of time to add 5-10 pounds to match them)
Roh - 281 (bigger than Mingo by 20-30 pounds).
Now I'm not saying our DL will be as good as LSU's last year, but talking purely about size, they weren't much bigger (if at all) than our DL is going to be.
I'm pretty sure lsu d line was even smaller in 2011.the ends were 245 and 255 I believe.
Black is currently listed at 278, RVB was listed at 288 last season (not sure when exactly they updated that (i.e. beginning season, mid-season, etc.) 10 pounds is a nice sized difference, but Black is also more athletic than RVB. If Black can add about 5 pounds before the season starts he will still be smaller, but 5 pounds less, but being more athletic will be a minimal difference. Meanwhile BWC is bigger than Mike Martin was. Our WDE will likely be at worst the same size as last year, likely slightly bigger. Our SDE will be about the same size probably, maybe slightly smaller (can't remember Heininger's weight), but will be much more talented. Our LB will also be bigger. So while Black might be 10 pounds or fewer smaller the rest of the front 7 will be bigger.
at the way football is these days. Whoever would have thought people would someday say "up around 300 (pounds)" isn't a massive human being.
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