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Yeah, because one good player was a 3 star that means that all of Dantonio's 3 star recruits will pan out. The fact that Worthy was a 3 star is irrelevant.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
Was Molk a 3 star also?
This post was edited by NigelUno 21 months ago
He was, and I think ESPN even gave him a 2 star. MSU not only looks to be relying on mediocre 3 star talent (where there is less margin for error), but isn't taking enough players at the D-line position to compensate for the lack in depth that will occur over the next few years. So its a double whammy, not only are you not taking enough players, they're skill level isn't commensurate to what other teams in your conference will be recruiting.
Just a few thoughts:
1. I appreciate all the laughter at MSU's "red-shirt program", but the fact is that MSU has 6 RS FR DL this year: DEs Calhoun, Heath and Lawrence Thomas and DTs Clemons, Scarpinato and Knox. Those guys will be playing from 2012-2015.
2. State took a DT and a DE last year (Lyles). That gives them 8 DL in a 2-year period, and a 2-deep at every DL position from those 2 classes alone.
3. This recruiting cycle is not over. I'd say MSU needs to take 2 DEs and 1 DT this year, and 1 DE and 2 DTs in '14. If they do that, then in 2016, they year after the 6 current RS FR DL graduate, MSU will still have 8 DL who are at least RS Sophs: the 2 RS SRs from '12, the 3 RS JRs from '13 and 3 RS Sophs from '14.
In terms of skill level, everyone's a 3-star recruit or better with the exception of Fennell (DT in '12), who wasn't living in the US during his JR year and attended no camps. Not saying he's the next Worthy, just saying he's not your normal 2-star (i.e., camps a bunch, doesn't get many offers as a result). State's been fine with 3-star talent. They're not going to be winning an NC, but I don't think they're going to be falling off the map either.
As it pertains to this year, MSU will start a true JR at SDE, a pair of SRs at DT and a RS Soph at WDE. State's DL doesn't look like it's in trouble from a depth standpoint unless they only take 1-2 DL in each of the next 2 classes. I think it's a bit early to say that MSU's DL has depth issues.
This post was edited by MalibuMan 21 months ago
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
I could definitely be wrong, but I'm much more worried about OL than DL. Kugler going blue really hurt, and some injuries to promising recruits hasn't helped. If Norman really decides to go for the olympics instead of football, that's great for him, but that would be a pretty tough to swallow as far as MSU's OL is concerned.
As for DL, we're still in the hunt for some pretty impressive recruits for 2013. I suppose we are for OL too, but 1) they aren't as impressive, 2) we don't currently have as much talent on the OL as the DL, 3) we've already missed out on several of our 'favored' prospects for OL.
The only redeeming side of this is that, almost regardless of what gets scrounged together for the OL with the '13 class, it is nearly guaranteed to be better than what Dantonio came in to. John L did the most spectacularly terrible job bringing in talent on the lines, so at least the talent that we will have going forward will be better than the talent we've had thus far (as far as the OL is concerned).
This was the sense I had from what I've seen of MSU recruiting. Seems like you're still in on some good DL, but the vast majority of the quality OL have been snatched up already. Bad luck with Norman seeming to favor track over football. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Weird thing about having our class almost full is it makes me more interested in other teams' classes because there's not a lot of action going on with ours.
What DL do you guys feel best about? Cooper?
MSU apparently had "no OL" last year and still ran for over 200 yards vs UM and their daunted DL..
Now MSU gets 4/5 back on the OL, while UM is replacing 3/4 of its DL..
To be fair, msu was playing with the same 40mph wins, and their quarterback was a much better passer than ours was. I'm not sure a game with no wind would have worked out better for us.
I do think we'll win this year, though. Wouldn't go so far as to say there won't be a problem. I'll have to see how their offense looks the first few games of the season. They'll have enough time to figure things out offensively in the 1st 8 weeks or so. This isn't Rich Rod trotting Steven Threet out to run a zone-read offense. All these guys were recruited for and have practiced in the same offensive system their entire careers.
Run along to tBB little one.
One of the things that surprised me in this cycle for MSU was the WRs taken. We were told time and again how MSU was only going to take 1 WR, and that was only going to be a 4* type, Foster, Treadwell... That has changed to having two middling 3* kids and looking to add another one.
I can't believe someone would lie to you like that.
Is what I said not accurate?
I know, right.
Baker is gone.
Michigan still returns Black, Roh, Campbell, Beyer, and has a boatload of incoming freshman talent coming in. D-Line will be our weakness this year due to youth, most definitely, but it won't be for the years to come. MSU on the other hand can't seem to get any of the DL or OL they're targeting. Is that not accurate?
And then I'm going by the assumption that you don't think Bell can replicate Baker's success even though Bell took over the starting job two games after the UM game?
The second part of your statement is pretty accurate..
was just replying to the OP who said MSU has no OL this year.
To be fair, MSU's OL wasn't impressive last year. The verdict for this year obviously can't be judged until we see the product on the field, but it would be the same as all MSU fans saying our DL is going to be garbage.
Basically what I'm saying is, it is all conjecture. You guys can speculate on tRCMB how bad we'll be, we'll do the same here about you guys. We're both going to have solid squads with different strengths and weaknesses. Circular argumentation between fans on a message board won't change anyone's opinion. If you want to argue, take it to tBB.
Think it's a little different simply because the MSU Ol returns the majority of its starters- think the MSU WR's compared to the UM DL is a little better comparison, even though the UM DL returns guys who have played before, just not in starting roles.
And the MSU OL didn't do much in terms of the run game LY, but the OP stated that MSU has no OL, which is a reason why UM will win this year. I was simply pointing out that even though MSU's OL wasn't that good in 2011, they still rushed for over 200 yards on UM's solid run defense.
Nope he won't.
Who do you see MSU picking up to end their class with on the oline and dline?
For the oline, we know Kulger had a visit planned for MSU, cancelled it once he visited and committed to Michigan, never setting foot in East Lansing.
We know Bosch visited MSU, committed to Michigan after that.
For the dline, we know Poggi had an offer from MSU, but that didn't matter to him, he decided on Michigan. He stated that it came down to the 2 schools that offered him the best chance to win a National Championship, Michigan and Alabama, with Michigan being the preferred school.
We know Hurst visited MSU, then visited Michigan the next day. Soon after committed to Michigan.
With Michigan full at those positions, it allows MSU a chance now to attempt to grab the athletes that are left. Who do you see MSU closing with along the dline and oline?
How would you compare it to other OL's you faced last year?
Yea, most of the bigger time recruits who Dantonio offered went in other directions for sure..
On the OL, even though Benenoch decommited- he said he still plans on taking a visit to EL, but he doesn't seem likely.. CT OL Finley is another option, but lord knows CT hates sending kids to MSU, so I'll assume he'll end at OSU.. Norman would be big for MSU if he decided not to focus on track, but again, that decision probably won't be made anytime soon.
Not too concerned on the DL, esp with the stockpiled talent Dantonio has that are mostly younger guys- There's a DT Salmon from Florida who MSU is in the final 4 for. DE from Illinois Dunbar is also on the list.
NSD still a long way away- let's see what happens and Dantonio have gained my trust, so there's no reason for us MSU fans to doubt him now
This post was edited by CaliSpartan0606 21 months ago
So, as of right now, you don't feel good about any oline recruits?
And the same for dline?
Do you expect recruiting to improve for MSU in the future? Not much of an improvement with their recent success.
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