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There are many factors in a kid becoming a reliable OL in college. Hell, Fragle will get drafted as an OL and he was a TE for 3 years, Urban told him he could move to OT and play, and get drafted. In one year at the position he outperformed the previous OT's we had that were very highly ranked out of HS. A lot of these guys don't truly develop until they are 20+ years old, so getting a 3* OL sometimes works out better than a kid that has been a monster since he was 15. Sometimes those kids don't work as hard as the others because they've always dominated because of their size. And you stated how many 250-270lb DL are in HS is spot on, not many so these big OL dominate easily in HS.
Seantrel Henderson was a big deal in HS, we wanted him along with everyone else. He's just one of many that didn't deliver what was thought he would.
I mentioned Henderson, but hell, take a look at the monster class OSU had a few years back with "The Brew Crew".... Brewster was the only one that was dependable. You can say coaching, and that may very well be true, but it also boils down to the kids work ethic and desire. A Lot of the highly rated HS OL don't have great work ethic as they dominate based on size difference in them and who they are blocking. I truly don't get all hyped up over a big OL recruit. I'd rather have talent at positions with ball in their hands or on the defensive side of the ball. But that's just me...
The point is, if you bring in the talent LSU, Michigan, Stanford, and Alabama do on the OL, add in good coaches, you are 99% more likely to have a better OL than if you don't bring in highly rated talent.
Seantrel Henderson may not have lived up to the 5* billing, but he was still a contributor that is considered to be one the best in the ACC.
Only two of those kids were 5*s according to Rivals and as you said, Brewster had a very good career at OSU and Mike Adams was drafted in the second round last year.
Drafted and Good while at OSU are different things. Between the off the field trouble and giving up sacks I'd say he didn't live up to the hype.
As you said, not too many OL get 5* ratings. So, if that is true, why is a 4* OL considered scraps??
OSU has 14 OL on roster, how many do you need since only 5 play at a time? I'd be pissed if Urban decided to carry so many OL that we wouldn't have room for playmakers on the team.
LSU couldn't move the ball against Bama in NC game....at all!! So that tells me that defense is more important. As the old saying goes, "If the other team doesn't score you can't lose.."
There are no "game changers" or "playmakers" on the OL. But there are at every other postition on the field.
LOL. That was one of the best defenses in the history of college football. The chances of Ohio ever fielding a defense that good in the next 30 years are less than 1%, and guess what? That Bama team still lost earlier in the season.
This post was edited by uguumaster 14 months ago
There may not be "game changers" on the OL, but they are technically the playmakers and without a good OL, even the best RBs will falter and the best QBs will struggle because they don't have time to make progressions.
Yes, LSU struggled against Alabama, but that also had to do with play calling that day and Alabama certainly doesn't struggle on offense solely because of their OL. Defense can win championships, but sometimes the best defense is a good offense and if you can pound the ball and tire their defense out by owning the clock, you can win games even if you don't have an elite defense.
Regardless, Michigan is recruiting the defensive side of the ball perfectly fine and is addressing their lack of depth at the OL position.
Lastly, a great offensive line can make a decent running back look amazing, and that is what Michigan is aiming for, but they also have the personnel at QB, RB, and WR to compete with the best in the country. Stanford has made it successful with much less talent, I have no doubt Michigan can match their success with the last few recruiting classes.
The scraps comment, as stated very recently in this thread, is a joke mocking OSU fans commenting on Michigan commits. Fact is, Urban missed out on most of his plan A and B OL recruits and finished without fully addressing the need.
You need 14 OL on a roster because there are always injuries and you'll have a tough time competing if you have 5 true freshmen replacing 5 seniors on the line. Depth in the trenches is key to winning in college football and Alabama is the golden standard for that.
Only time will tell....It is expected that you like your team and it's chances as it is for Buck fans. Best part is we get to play every year and see what happens...
LSU's offense sucked.
Yeah, don't agree with that either. I bet another team fields a defense that good in the next decade. Maybe OSU, maybe Michigan, maybe someone else. But it will happen.
I actually think TAMU's line may have been better, but regardless, Bama's OL was sick this year and their RBs are insane.
It was and it will be again this year.
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
Is Matthews moving over to LT?
Probably not, Ogbuehi(our RG) will slide over to LT. He would have played there last year but obviously Joeckel had the spot locked down. Kid has 1st round LT written all over him. He was too talented to keep off the field so he played at RG. Expect Germaine Ifedi to fill in at his RG spot, from all reports he'll be really good too. Matthews younger brother will be our starting center as well. Our OL really is unfair.
Seeing how good TAMU was last year, it really seems Mike Sherman was just an absolutely terrible coach. You guys seem to be loaded at the positions that matter most and really good at all the other positions. I can only imagine what a top coach like Nick Saban could do with the talent of a top Texas team like TAMU and UT.
Ole useless, sleeping Sherman...
What a stupid argument. There are no 5* OLs at 6'0" and 220lbs because there AREN'T OLs who are that size. A kid that size is playing LB, RB, or S. And just to be clear, you said, "If a kid is bigger than everyone else, he gets a 5 star rating as an OL." I'm sorry to inform you, but that implies that EVERY lineman who is larger than his opponent receives a 5* rating. And I'll take Michigan's OL all day. Kugler, Dawson, and Bosch all have great size and have been praised for solid technique.
As a GB fan I can say that Mike Sherman is a terrible coach and talent evaluator. He chose to manage player personnel in GB and drafted a bunch of busts, including Ahmad Carroll..
Well it's a good thing you love your OL class, you should also love your WR's since it was said, by one of your assistant coaches, that speed at WR doesn't matter. If he truly believes that he shouldn't have a job. If speed doesn't matter then UM should get all the WR's they go after because they won't be competing with any other BCS schools for slow receivers.
Here's the link before you say I was making up the coach said speed is overrated....He would rather them "look" like a M******n man than have speed....
What if I told you that there was more to being a receiver than just running really fast?
This post was edited by hownowbrowncow 14 months ago
Speed is overrated. I would take a big kid who runs great routes, has great hands, high points the ball and runs a 4.5 over a 4.3 small shifty WR who runs crappy routes and drops easy passes any day of the week.
there is plenty more needed than just being fast...but give me a fast kid that can run routes and catch over a slow kid that can run routes and catch any day....If a WR can't ever stretch the defense downfield your offense will pose no threat to the safeties and they can stay up to defend the run and not fear the CB getting blown by. I can tell you, I've seen us with fast WR's and not so fast, I'll take the kid that can run by people (Ginn) vs the ones that can't.
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