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How lame is it that Buckeye fans refer to Elliot as EzE ...
Especially how they take extra care to capitalize both E's and a lower case z. Because it matters, damnit
They must all have it macro'd on their keyboard because they love to type it, too.
OMG! EzE, EzE, EzE!!!! Bro! High fives and dutch anchors for all the cool kids.
Ya'll are special
This post was edited by Norbit 17 months ago
It'll be funny when "EzE" flips to Mizzou on Wednesday.
I understand that but if we keep on having to move TEs to tackle its only a matter of time till it will back fire and we will have a big problem. Do you remember the 06/07 championship game? UFs DEs killed are tackles all game because OSU had a guard at RT. Statements like Warriner will fix any problems would be the same as UM fans saying don't worry Jeff Hecklinski will fix any problems we have at WR.
I would say there is about a 30% chance that happens
Nah, Warinner is a fantastic OL coach. He took what was a lazy, under-performing, terrible OL from 2011 and made it into one of the 2 or 3 best OLs in the B1G. Bollman made turds out of gold, Warinner makes gold out of turds. They'll restock in 2014 and move from there.
One thing I feel a lot of you guys are missing is that we had something like 12 underclassmen (FR/SO) OL last year. Give Warinner two years with any OL before they ever have to see the field, and I trust the product he'll develop. He turned a 3* TE in Reid Fragel into one of the 5-10 best OL in the B1G in one off-season of work.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by dukeluke 17 months ago
I'm concerned that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how recruiting works.
I think Wariner is a good OL coach. But talent matters, and they need a good 2014 OL class, otherwise no matter who the coach is, they may struggle.
I have said over on their board that they would probably only get 1 of those 2. I will be surprised a little if Elliott stays with the Buckeyes. We will see if Urban can convince him otherwise.
Hey I'll admit that OSU can coach up two and three star OL and make them above average if OSU fans admit that Michigan can do the same with their WR's. Of course Michigan won't be trotting 5 WR's onto the field at one time.....but we can ignore that for now.
Do Buckeye fans like Fickell still? The Cro-Magnon who played in the NFL, name escapes me, is great for your LB's. Good recruiter with a Superbowl Ring, but Fickell??
IMHO Fickell is the weak link. I think you will see him get a chance to be a HC at a MAC school. The one thing I will miss when that happens is that Fickell is a hell of a recruiter. The other coach you are speaking of is Vrabel, Player LB/DE for the pats.
How many of Meyer's teams have struggled at OL in the past? How many OL has he had on scholarship while winning 2 NC vs what he has now and going forward? I think this guy knows what he's doing. He has not gotten all of the OL he has offered. So what? He put out a ridiculous number of offers. That's how you get the best players. You have to try first. I've even heard a few of the radio guys talking about how next year and the year after they are likely to clean up because of the log jam at UM and ND on OL.
BTW. UM may be needing 5 wr on the field trying to come back from the large deficits Meyer's Buckeyes are putting them in. At least their OL will be fresh. That could be fun to watch.
What large deficit did UM ever get in? 26-21 is not a large deficit as you are saying. Until your so called god of a coach beats us by 3 scores, then we will talk. Until then, tell your boy Urbz to step his game up and not miss on all of his OL but 1 this year.
The Gator team that Michigan beat w/ Tebow struggled up front and was a large reason why Michigan won.
"He has not gotten all of the OL he has offered." Not only has he not gotten them all, he's got Lisle and....?
I heard a few of the cockeye radio guys talking about how um was going to clean up Ohio & the Midwest and get whoever he wants, but he still loses recruiting battles to UM & ND. But if their predictions make you feel better, then more power to ya.
And obviously Michigan is going to be way behind in the games against ohio, I mean the talent ohio is bringing in is head & shoulders above the scrubs UM is bringing in. So hopefully the power goes out when they play, otherwise there's no shot to beat that squad.
I was just wishful thinking for the future. How else do you get 5 wr in a pro set?
I thought OSU signed 2 OL.
Thanks! Yea Vrabel. Fickell needs to go to Youngstown or BG or somewhere to hone his skills. Kid got a raw deal,but he wasn't ready
Meyer's OL probably wasn't an issue in the past because he had multiple 5 star OL commit to him, and only a few three star OL prospects. In other words, he got lots of talent on the OL. In his first two years at Ohio I don't think many people are saying that he has pulled in a bunch of talent on the OL, or at least not as much as he did at Florida. Also, even if OSU does clean up on OL in '14, more than likely those guys won't be ready to play at a high level until at least their second year in the program. But sure, keep telling yourself that your OL won't have any dropoff at all despite Ohio's inability to recruit the position the last couple of years. By that logic Michigan's WR corp should be excellent within the next two years since apparently bringing in talent at a position is unimportant.
Also, at thinking Meyer will somehow get put up lots of points on Michigan. This year's defense for Michigan will end up being the weakest one Meyer will face.
This post was edited by hownowbrowncow 17 months ago
How do you know this past year's defense will be the weakest? What if your dc leaves or your recruiting doesn't work out how they thought? It only takes one level of the d to be hit by injury or poor development to have the whole thing go south. Look at our lb situation. Top 2 defense in the country after Boren moved to lb. before that we couldn't stop anyone. Plenty of high star talent at lb but some guys didn't work out.
Do you think that couldn't happen to um?
I don't think it is unreasonable to think that osu might get a big lead on Michigan at some point in the next few games. They could get way down too. Who knows?
Just loving a little rivalry chat with the bball game coming up and the lack of football in the near future.
I also don't think Meyer had tons of five star recruits this year or any year at Utah or bg. They seemed to do just fine on offense.
This post was edited by DollarYo 17 months ago
Your example just shows why our D will be better.
This year, we lost our lockdown #1 CB in the first game and we still had a top-15 defense. We lost our other original starting CB for our bowl game and still played a top-10 team down to the wire.
Our secondary got decimated this year, and yet we still had a great D. With the depth problems we had at CB, you'd expect our D to go to hell, but instead, they played well. The 2012 recruiting class shored up our depth issues at DL and LB, and the 2013 class just addressed our depth issues at DB.
While I'm not counting out injury problems to other units, this was the year where major secondary losses could have really hurt us, but even the loss of our #1 CB didn't hurt too much. Every other unit now has sufficient depth and talent (FFS, 2 of our true freshman LBs were starter-quality this year), and with Mattison developing his players, I'm pretty confident in our defense going forward.
There are always injuries. How do you know all those guys can play? You just don't until they do. What happened this year does not mean you will be able to recover in the future. Didn't um lose four or five games? I know you all had a really tough schedule.
Doing everything to prepare and getting good talent in high school is great but you gotta have the results. Our defense this year kept um from crossing the fifty in the second half and have up exactly zero points. We had one healthy lb and a FB in the middle. Don't you think this was the year for you guys to get a win? We either had a better set of players or a much better staff. I would love to have someone explain how Meyer didn't make the better adjustments at half this year. Is that about recruiting or just a sign of the abilities of the coaches?
Nothing is guaranteed. But that said, more likely than not you have seen the bottom end of our defensive talent. Mattison could always leave...but hell, Urban could leave. Actually, I would put the odds more on Urban leaving than Mattison right now.
The reality is our defense was playing mostly with out of place players and 3*. Going forward, you are looking at much more talented prospects specifically picked to run this defense. Sure, injuries happen, all kind of unexpected things happen. But the most likely scenario is our defense will get steadily better.
Gonna be no drama here.
On Feb 3rd Zeke's father (@stacy_elliott) posted the picture along with the caption,
"One day Buckeye Nation I am going to give you the inside view of the recruit and his family!"
Well, in that case, there can't be any drama. I mean, it's not like any recruit has ever gone against the wishes of his parents, right?
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