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IMO 2014 OL recruiting for OSU will be huge. If we strike out with the 2014 class, we're in trouble. If Meyer brings in 3-4 4* OL, I think we're in good shape. He got the first one in Marcelys Jones, but Jones was a lock the same way Evan Lisle was. The real test will be the OOS OL like Rod Johnson, Jamarco Jones, Orlando Brown, etc. To this point he hasn't been able to grab that kind of top OOS OL at OSU.
It is interesting though. Urban has focused on big time skill players, and done relatively well. Hoke has focused on OL/DL and done relatively well. The question is whether each can broaden that intensity.
And people called me a OSU fan in the game thread today......as there is a 53 page thread on who their slimeball coach is recruiting at OL
I agree with what you are saying. I don't think osu is ready to blow Michigan away or anything. I actually think the two teams Are getting better vs the rest of the league. My point is that um recruiting all these OL is great but osu will also have pretty good OL play if you consider Meyers history and recruiting. He just does it differently. I don't think it's going to be an Alabama vs nd situation like some other posters seem to.
I think depth at dl is more useful than depth At OL provided you have five who can play because you usually rotate more dl than OL.
Actually Meyer has done great with the DL. His first two classes were both arguably the top DL classes in the nation. He hasn't done enough to beef up our OL yet....the best thing he did was adding Warriner (from ND) to the staff. He transformed ND's Oline and did a great job in his first year with our Oline...our best Oline in YEARS. Hopefully this development will progress and our Oline will continue to improve.
I'm not a Hoke believer, I just don't think he's the guy to get you guys back to where you need to be, but the guy can definitely recruit OLinemen...what is he doing? Promising these guys red zone targets??
I actually meant it as a focus on OL. The DL comment was more about Hoke's targets. Agreed, he has recruited DL well.
Here's a reality check for Ohio fans:
In 2009, Urban Meyer's Florida team had the following players in its 2 deep:
- QB Tim Tebow
- TE Aaron Hernandez (Pro-Bowl)
- C Maurkice Pouncey (Pro-Bowl)
- OG Mike Pouncey
- WR Riley Cooper
- LB Brandon Spikes
- CB Major Wright
- DE Carlos Dunlap
- DE Jermaine Cunningham
- CB Joe Haden
- WR Chris Rainey
- S Will Hill
- CB Ahmad Black
- CB Janoris Jenkins
I'm probably forgetting a few names but that's at least 14 current NFL players from the 2009 Florida team who play (or have played meaningful snaps) at the pro level.
The 2009 team did not have Percy Harvin or Louis Murphy from the 2008 team but it was was one year older.
That 2009 team lost 32-13 to Alabama.
It is unlikely that Meyer's future Ohio teams will be more loaded then his Florida teams. He built his Florida teams when Bobby Bowden was a lame duck coach at FSU and while Miami suffered through Randy Shannon. In other words, he was able to snag more Florida talent with less competition from in-state rivals.
After Meyer's 2009 team was beaten convincingly 32-13 in the 2009 SEC Title game and after Meyer's 2010 team was crushed 31-6 in Tuscaloosa, the Saban-Alabama dynasty forced Urban Meyer into early retirement.
Thankfully, Michigan's bread and butter is similar to Alabama's pro-style which gave Meyer/Florida so much trouble.
While Ohio fans are probably convinced that Meyer/Ohio will run the B1G, I think they should avoid being overconfident.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Frank C 15 months ago
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What big time skill players? Unless you are talking about defense, the only ones I see in OSU's 2013 class are Barrett, Elliott and Marshall. In comparison, we have Morris and Smith and have a very good chance of landing Derrick Green. We missed on the one truly elite WR we were after (LaQuon Treadwell), but OSU fans somehow seem to think they are pulling a ton of elite offensive skill players while we aren't pulling any. It's borderline laughable. If we land a couple of elite WRs in 2014, we will have everything we need on offense. And FWIW I believe Derrick Green is going to be much more productive in our offense than Ezekiel Elliott is in theirs. If we miss on Green, then I will begin to worry a little.
In all seriousness though I agree with what you are saying. I think Michigan will have one of the few OL's in college football that could actually allow a team to run on Alabama. Michigan definitely needs more pieces to have a shot at beating Alabama though.
It's a common talking point amongst buckeye fans to say that we take in too many OL commits and how we can only play five. In what scenario is having quality depth on the O line ever a bad thing?
"They can only play five!" Well yes that is true but what about when injuries happen? When a recruit doesn't turn out? The fact of the matter is no recruits success is guaranteed. We're on here gushing over all our recruits when the fact of the matter if there's at least a couple guys we're all jacked up about who wont do anything on the field. Having depth is what counteracts this. Not an attack to the poster who just brought this up because he was very respectful and made good points, just providing a response to this idea I see written on here all the time.
Bottom line is, after four quarters power generally begins to beat speed. Considering that UM and OSU are basically recruiting at the same level for both of their respective systems, and seeing how Oregon's style hasn't exactly thrived against strong defenses, I like our chances.
I don't think anybody is saying that urban Meyer is better than saban. Meyer even says al is the gold standard and they know they have to get better each day with beating al as their goal.
Your post seems to be putting hoke at Michigan on Saban's level trying to compare Meyers records vs saban In his last two years at fl. I think we all can agree that hoke is far away from saban. There are many teams that run a pro style offense. The only one that bothered Meyer is the one coached by saban. If you guys hire him, then we will start to worry.
This post was edited by DollarYo 15 months ago
How was he putting Michigan on Alabama's level? He said that Michigan is going to be running the same offense that gave Meyer trouble. He never said that that put Michigan on Saban's level. I swear some people just read what they want to see.
The post I quoted makes reference to saban beating Meyer with a pretty good team that ran the same style of offense that Michigan and hoke are now running. That is definitely making a connection between hoke and saban having success against Meyer. That is how he/she is putting them on the same level. I don't think any realistic fan thinks the bucks or any team is going to go in and have an easy time beating Alabama. I do think osu should have pretty high expectations of running the table in the conference the next few years and taking a shot at the sec champ in the playoffs. That's all you need is a chance.
Rumor is OSU is losing a Freshman OL...
Also, I've come up with a theme song for this thread:
"This is the thread that never ends,
And it goes on and on my friends,
Urban keeps losing linemen because that's just what Urban does;
And we'll continue posting here forever just because..."
It's Joey O'Conner
Where'd you hear this? Also, do you know any particular reason why?
Can't be too much competition on the depth chart.
It's coming from an Ohio State forum, the O-Zone.
It says the guy who is rumored to be considering transferring wants to move closer to home. So I looked at their 2012 OL class, and only one of them is from out of state, so that pretty much narrows it down to O'Connor.
The Ozone, The Buckeye Fans source of timely Ohio State Football, Basketball, Hockey and Baseball information, statistics, rosters, and commentary. fan reactions, recruiting commentary, fan polls, and interviews.
This post was edited by TAMUWolverine 15 months ago
I wish it was Taylor Decker, I think he's their best one. Losing O'Conner still hurts though, so it's okay
So, they've now barely got 1 complete OL's worth of bodies over the 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes...and they don't have a center in that group.
Decker, Dodson, Gardner, and Lisle are OTs, Elflein and Boren are OGs, and maybe Boren could play center. Either way, they're going to be in trouble in a big way if anyone gets injured. They better hope 2014 brings in a huge OL haul.
They BETTER hope they get a decent OL haul for 2014. I don't things are looking too great right now, fortunately.
Urbs has offered 16 OL so far for 2014:
OL Damian Prince - I think he'll probably end up at Bama, don't know a lot about his recruitment but Bama fans seem to think they are in a good place with him
OL Kc McDermott - Miami fans on tBB swear up and down KC is all Cane.
OL Braden Smith - Probably ends up at Nebraska, Texas or Oklahoma
OL Mason Cole - Either us or ND will most likely get Cole
OL Marcelys Jones Committed to ohio
OL Orlando Brown - I guess OSU has a good shot at him. Their going to have to out-recruit some SEC schools for him though.
OL Natrell Curtis - I don't know who this guy is
OL Donell Stanley I don't know who this guy is
OL Alex Bars - Michigan
OL Sam Mustipher - No idea about his recruitment so far. We've had a couple updates on him that were positive, no idea what other schools are in on him though.
OL Andy Bauer - SEC bound.
OL Jamarco Jones - OSU has a shot at him, but so does ND and us as well.
OL Quenton Nelson I don't know who this guy is
OL Roderick Johnson I don't know who this guy is
OL Denzel Ward Committed to Michigan
OL Demetrius Knox Committed to Texas
OL Jimmy Byrne Committed to ND
Maybe they are in good spots for the OL who I said I didn't know about. For their sake, they better be.
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