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How is his offense at OSU unproven? I dislike them more than most, but they just went undefeated and led the conference in offense and turned Miller into one of the best players in CFB.
It struggled against "good" B1G defenses.
Yeah, 26 points against us when we turn the ball over 4 times and can't even get to the 50 in the second half isn't exactly a world-beating offense. It's one thing to run up massive scores against the likes of Indiana and Nebraska's D, but when Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan, and to a lesser extent, Purdue can keep your offense in check, it qualifies as unproven on a national stage. If OSU had played anybody good in their OOC schedule, we might have a basis for comparison, but they didn't.
To prove an offense, you need to play a D like Alabama. Michigan's 14 points qualify as the 4th-most points they've given up all year, and they've only surrendered more than 20 twice. If Urban's offense can put up points against the likes of the Alabama D, then OSU's offense will have proven themselves on a national level.
Ahh gotcha, my bad. It'll take a couple of years and an infusion of talent at the skill positions (I really like this year's class [especially if we snag Quick, which is 50/50 at best] and some of the potential feelers they've put out for next year's class in filling that void [Autry, Snodgrass, Lattimore--if we could get even one of those guys I'd be very happy]).
As a couple of people said, though, I think it'll take playing (and standing up to) a top SEC talent before you really know if he can produce at OSU what he did at Florida. I really want to believe he can, not just because I'm an OSU homer, but if OSU and Michigan can't stand up to the SEC in the next couple years, the B1G is doomed to (football) irrelevance imo.
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If Michigan and OSU keep taking all the major midwest talent, the B1G will be able to compete on the biggest stage. As for the rest of the B1G, who cares?
Michigan seems to be building on the lines, which is the model the SEC has created and perfected in the last decade, if Michigan is able to land some skill players they'll rise to prominence again, it will just take another year or so until those recruits are ready though.
OSU is going in a similar direction in terms of the DL recruiting, but it needs better OL recruiting, although it could skate by if Meyer has a mobile QB who can hit the open skill players.
I agree with you for the most part. The one thing you have to wonder though, is if Wisconsin drops off, Penn State drops off, who are our (both OSU and Mich's) quality wins other than the one game at the end of the year? MSU (6-6 this year), maybe Northwestern? How long before running the B1G is equivalent to running the Big East? You already saw it this year, nationally OSU's 12-0 didn't mean a thing to almost anyone (and not just because OSU was disqualified, but because "OSU didn't play anyone" according to nearly every national pundit I read or heard). Not to be pessimistic, but I only see it getting worse.
The one thing that I think perhaps saves us is that with a 4-team playoff system in two years, all we (Mich. or OSU) have to do is be at least the 4th best team in the country. I'd say you're right though in that, when Michigan and OSU get the chance on the national stage, if they show up (which we haven't done much of frankly the last 10 or so years, outside of a couple Sugar Bowls, and a couple Rose Bowls--most of these wins are OSU and Michigan's alone), they'll keep getting chances.
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Unrelated, but I just wanna say its nice to get quality insight like this on OSU's program without having to sift through the dick measuring and shots across the bow. Please continue to post here man it makes the board better.
Ditto. +1 to dukeluke.
If hes looking for dick measuring he should chat on the cocks board
I don't really believe the Northwestern's and MSU's of the world are going to drop that much...are we honestly really competing for the same recruits for the most part? Wisconsin probably gets hurt the most. Penn State also appears to be holding their own, sanctions and all.
I think the rest of the Big 10 will be pretty much status quo...just that OSU and Michigan will raise their game.
I don't think the Big 10 will ever be irrelevant. Some years it will be weak, like every other conference out there. They've all gone thru it. I'm more worried about Penn St and Wisconsin in regards giving you guys a walk thru to Indy. If those two programs crumble....ohio will be able to cruise to Indy. That's the only thing I'm worried. I think MSU will be a constant 7-5 to 9-3 team at best. We need Purdue and Illinois not to drag the conference down so much. Before you know it man.....we won't even be having this convo because UM and ohio will always be fine and both schools are heading the right direction of competing for National Titles and bringing the SEC reign to an end.
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It looks like Billy Price may play O-Line instead of D-Line in C-Bus.
That is one more lineman.
Can't say I'm surprised that they're already converting more DLs to OL.
Price would probably be a better OL anyway.
This year doesn't count as "Penn State also appears to be holding their own, sanctions and all." Give it a year, maybe two when scholly reductions start taking its toll on depth and yes, Christian Hackenberg is staying with them, but a QB can only get you so far and he hasn't played a down yet so we won't know. Penn State will be hurtin for a LONG time because of the severity of the sanctions.
Based on his showings against Dawson on the camp circuit, I'd have to agree.
Yeah, even USC started to show how bad the sanctions affected them this year. Depth will start to be a major concern, and even when you're getting USC-caliber recruiting classes, if your star QB goes down, you're in trouble.
PSU had a good year, but things are going to get ugly for quite a while.
More good news: Barry Alvarez has confirmed that Paul Chryst won't be taking the Wisconsin HC job, he'll be staying at Pitt. OSU won't get another crack at Dorian Johnson.
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This really hurts, because Johnson would have been a virtually Buckeye lock at that point, I believe.
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I never really had a great feeling about Dorian Johnson (irt to his coming to OSU, not as a player, he is fantastic imo). I wanted him on OSU badly, but everything I heard since he decommitted from PSU made me feel like he wanted to stay in Pennsylvania. I think OSU forced its way into the picture momentarily, but I just didn't feel good about it. I have that same feeling about David Dawson. I think he's willing to listen to Ohio State (the same way DJ was willing to hear Ohio State out), but his heart is in Michigan. I get that same bad gut feeling about James Quick with Louisville. What I think hurts OSU the most are the OL recruits from Ohio that opt out. For example Jimmy Byrne from 2014 who's likely going to Notre Dame. A strong OSU OL is typically made up of 3 or 4 4* OL from Ohio. That's what we haven't gotten the last two years (with the exception of 1 or 2 a year).
@gobigblue21: No problem man! I said it elsewhere, but it's nice for me to come here and see some other people's opinions on the B1G who don't have an OSU-bias the way I do. I'm not gonna lie, I have trolled a couple of times on SEC boards, but never on B1G haha.
@Moon (and neoavatara's earlier post): I sure hope you guys are right, and honestly I do think you are. OSU and Michigan in particular have been around long enough, and have established names. We also have the 2 biggest fanbases in college football (according to the NYTimes), so we're going to be in the national discussion every year regardless. These are two fanbases that I don't think are willing to settle for mediocrity. In much the same way that you just knew Bama and ND (I'd put USC, Texas and Oklahoma in that mix as well) would return despite any dry spells.
This post was edited by dukeluke 16 months ago
I do think that Pitt was always Dorian's favored spot...but if Chryst left, I think he liked OSU enough that it would have to be a serious discussion.
Im guessing Alvarez will coach for 2-3 seasons, then Chryst will jump on board
I think USC started to show how bad Lane Kiffin affected them this year.
In all seriousness, PSU will have down years. But as long as O'Brien stays, I have confidence that he can coach our players up. Lack of depth will hurt, but we've still got some very good players and O'Brien is only just starting to get the guys he's recruited into the program. Also remember that we were working with about 68 scholarship players this year.
I think the offense is going to have to carry us, especially next year. Losing 3 of our starting DL (though we've got some young up-and-comers), and 2 of our best LB's.
If O'Brien sticks around for a few more years, I think we hover around 5-7 wins for the next ~5 years. Guy's a freaking good coach.
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