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HS lineman are the most difficult to project IMO. You never know how a kid is going to pan out until he steps foot on campus. Some kids may have already hit their ceiling, They might not have the feet, They might not have the work ethic or conditioning. Just because some kid is big in HS and is pushing around alot smaller kids, doesnt mean he'll be a great college player.
100% agree with this.
You have to look for footwork and how they use their hands, if they are good at those aspects, they should be good. Anything with knee bend, strength, or speed can be easily fixed when they get on campus.
Also coaching. I dont know enough about Michigans OL coach, so I wont comment on him, but im sure hes a good coach. I watched OSU under Bollman get tons of 4 and 5 star lineman and have a shitty OL. Mike Brewster for example, 4 year starter at OSU. If anything, he may have gotten WORSE as his career went on. Yes, that sounds crazy, but its true.
I agree. But I am happy that Michigan is getting bigger OL who at least from a physical standpoint will help Michigan with a pro style offense in the future.
We don't really know how Funk is yet. To be honest, the line play was disappointing this year but it's difficult to say if that's his fault or not. Seems like some of them regressed, but we'll see what happens going forward.
Sounds like it's a good thing we're taking lots of them.
Yeah, you wont truly know until you get these kids in the program for a few years.
Agree totally with the above.
I like the strategy though because you look at the Alabama and LSUs of the world...this has been their strategy.
You also have to like Shane Morris to fit that offense. Add in potential players like Laquon Treadwell and Derrick Green (doesn't necessarily have to be them, but players of that skill-set), and you have the right sort of mix going.
Doesn't hurt me to give Michigan credit where credit is due haha.
If we get those guys (big if) then we're in good shape. if not, we have to hope that an unheralded kid pans out.
God, I love that this thread can now continue on into 2014.
I hope we keep this kid after watching his latest highlight tape I think he could turn into one of the top tackles in the country. He runs really well and seems to have great balance from the film. Those are two things that are hard to teach and very necessary for really good offensive lineman.
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With Laquon Treadwell likely choosing Ole Miss, it seems like Hoke and Meyer have the same problem at different positions. Michigan is really thin at play-making WRs (in my opinion anyway), and OSU is really thin at OL. Luckily for you guys though, I don't think play-making WR is as much of a basic necessity as stout OL. Look at Bama this year, their only real playmaking WR threat is Amari Cooper (a true Freshman), and they're still a top 2 team in the country--the biggest reason imo being that they are stacked on the OL. You can do it without great WRs, but you can't do it without good-to-great OL.
I will say though, the Spread Offense is the one offense that you can function with average OL in. But you will definitely see this start to effect OSU in a couple of years (not so much next year given that 4 of our 5 OL starters are returning) if Meyer doesn't pick it up. I think proving to OL though that the Spread Offense is conducive to churning out NFL OL (which it frankly isn't) is an uphill battle he'll always have to fight.
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Dawson rescheduled his OSU visit this weekend, apparently to take the ACT.
Queue random speculation...NOW!
When's the last time a team with an average OL won a national championship though? Urban Meyer's offense will work in the B1G, I don't doubt that, it's unproven on the national level though.
The only good thing about WR and RB's is that if you sign a player who is elite at either position, then they can usually start at that position as a freshman. And if Derrick Green signs with Michigan, then Michigan only needs an elite WR in the '14 class and the offense could be in decent shape in the upcoming years.
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Still going to visit OSU at some point but ACT comes first..gotta get in the college before you play.
Urban had pretty great OL when he won at Florida...
Yup, but he also brought in a lot of talented OL recruits.
I wouldn't say that Urban Meyer's offense is unproven on the national level given that he won two nat'l championships with it. HOWEVER, I do agree with you in the sense that we haven't yet seen Urban Meyer's offense (outside of this year perhaps) playing with average OL. I just looked back out of curiosity, and in his 5 or so classes at Florida I believe he got 3 5* OL, 7 or so 4*, and a few 3*. He's likely not going to get that at OSU, frankly, so he will have to prove (or I suppose Ed Warinner so long as he's here will have to prove) that he can do more with less.
Compare his Florida haul (3 5*, 7 4*) to what Michigan has done the last two years alone (1 5*, 6 4*) though, and I guess you could argue that Meyer has been doing it without elite OL classes all along. With the B1G the way it's going though, I'm starting to feel a bit like OSU and Michigan just have to beat one another and get lucky in the National Championship and they've got a shot every year. I don't really see a 3rd best team in the B1G, the rest of the conference gets marginal really fast.
I was talking about his offense at OSU being unproven, obviously his offense at Florida was proven, he had one of the best offenses in all of college football with the combo of Tebow, Harvin, the Pouncey twins, and Aaron Hernandez.
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